> then stick to your guns and you'll see zero progress, but your ideals will still be intact. That would require some self deception. Those who have an ideal,

> then stick to your guns and you'll see zero progress, but your ideals will still be intact. That would require some self deception. Those who have an ideal, and know at the same time that sticking to their guns wouldn't work, shouldn't stick to their guns. Unless of course they only want to signal an ideal, which I concede is easier than actually trying achieve it.