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They're up on a pedestal talking about how it's classist and abelist and some people can't afford an editor, but that is not the problem with AI and never has b

They're up on a pedestal talking about how it's classist and abelist and some people can't afford an editor, but that is not the problem with AI and never has been. Many publishers have had to stop accepting submissions because they're being flooded by AI generated content and can't cope. Nanowrimo is not one of these publishers and has nothing to lose here. It's not classist or abelist to reject a technology that generates a novel for someone who can't be bothered to write one, that floods the market, that stops hard working original authors from having a chance of making it in the already difficult game of getting a book published.

zug_zug 2y ago
I'm sure there's a systematic solution to that. If that's the problem, maybe require a $10 submission fee on each writing (or enough to pay for a basic sanity on writing quality). You can even optionally refund it for cases of obvious merit.
- nopelynopington 2y ago
  Who's classist now
- mlloyd 2y ago
  You don't even need to charge, just some sort of validation wall before submission. I bet a non-functional AI checker would discourage the great majority of these.
brendoelfrendo 2y ago
I mean, sure, not everyone can afford an editor, but that's never been the point of NaNoWriMo! The point of the challenge was to write a first draft and use the time limit to constantly push yourself forward. It was to demonstrate that a finished story that can be improved on can be more important to a writer's career than an exquisitely crafted idea that never gets onto the page. Editors are things that always came after NaNoWriMo.
- nopelynopington 2y ago
  Exactly. The point of it was to encourage people to write
cthalupa 2y ago
Most "serious" publishers pretty much entirely stopped accepting direct submissions from authors long ago, and instead started requiring people go through agents. It's mostly just been small and independent publishers that have kept accepting direct submissions, and most of them had limited resources to help aspiring authors to begin with. Agents already filter out a ton of garbage that is human written, and in my experience, take a meeting with potential clients before they read any significant portion of work as well - it would be trivial to make a discussion around AI usage part of that meeting.

zug_zug 2y ago

I'm sure there's a systematic solution to that. If that's the problem, maybe require a $10 submission fee on each writing (or enough to pay for a basic sanity on writing quality). You can even optionally refund it for cases of obvious merit.

nopelynopington 2y ago
Who's classist now
mlloyd 2y ago
You don't even need to charge, just some sort of validation wall before submission. I bet a non-functional AI checker would discourage the great majority of these.

brendoelfrendo 2y ago

I mean, sure, not everyone can afford an editor, but that's never been the point of NaNoWriMo! The point of the challenge was to write a first draft and use the time limit to constantly push yourself forward. It was to demonstrate that a finished story that can be improved on can be more important to a writer's career than an exquisitely crafted idea that never gets onto the page. Editors are things that always came after NaNoWriMo.

nopelynopington 2y ago
Exactly. The point of it was to encourage people to write

cthalupa 2y ago

Most "serious" publishers pretty much entirely stopped accepting direct submissions from authors long ago, and instead started requiring people go through agents. It's mostly just been small and independent publishers that have kept accepting direct submissions, and most of them had limited resources to help aspiring authors to begin with. Agents already filter out a ton of garbage that is human written, and in my experience, take a meeting with potential clients before they read any significant portion of work as well - it would be trivial to make a discussion around AI usage part of that meeting.