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> Obama admin didn’t really care about emissions, just exerting control as they had a lever to do it. Look, I don't mind a good cautionary tale over well-inten

> Obama admin didn’t really care about emissions, just exerting control as they had a lever to do it. Look, I don't mind a good cautionary tale over well-intentioned regulations gone awry, but it doesn't help your credibility when you lump in bad-faith political takes at the same time. Running a clinic in how to not be persuasive when arguing a point of view.

SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
Cool. But I saw the backend. And these people did not care. It was far more about votes and union and supply chain support than climate. Most people still don’t understand that we weren’t talking about Chrysler and GM being bailed out. It was Johnson controls, Bosch, and ContinentalTevis (or whoever they were) and 2000 smaller companies you would never know. But I was there, and I promise you it wasn’t about emissions. Don’t be mad I refuse to parrot the official line I know was BS. You should be mad at being lied to, I was.
- whynotminot 2y ago
  Does the foot soldier carrying out a raid in some far flung corner of the globe understand (or care) about how his actions fit into a greater strategic whole? You're conflating tactical level action (some guy you don't like coming to your small company and demanding a different lug-nut while high-fiving the union rep) versus big picture strategic objectives. Which is weird because in other parts of your post you are grappling with big picture impacts -- cars got big. But then you're going down to "some of these a-holes I had to deal with didn't care about emissions! So this whole thing all the way up to Obama himself was never about emissions!" There are plenty of studies that show that the auto regulations did in fact reduce emissions substantially. You're also pointing out that there were other unintended side-effects. Totally valid! And I appreciate your on the ground perspective. But it's just so.... Breitbart to then go off on how this was really Obama progressive liberal control freak stuff and not actually about what the bill did in fact do, which was lower emissions.
  - SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
    >There are plenty of studies that show that the auto regulations did in fact reduce emissions substantially. Wow, well, yea maybe my first hand experiences and career lessons are all wrong. Surely those studies were funded by groups that initially had interest in showing the opposite result and their funding was freely given regardless of the published outcome.
EricE 2y ago
Bad faith? If anything he was being overly generous in his political take.
- SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
  I’m used to it. I got to see a backdoor view of the process. The users here really believe the front end view they’re told.

SV_BubbleTime 2y ago

Cool. But I saw the backend. And these people did not care. It was far more about votes and union and supply chain support than climate. Most people still don’t understand that we weren’t talking about Chrysler and GM being bailed out. It was Johnson controls, Bosch, and ContinentalTevis (or whoever they were) and 2000 smaller companies you would never know. But I was there, and I promise you it wasn’t about emissions. Don’t be mad I refuse to parrot the official line I know was BS. You should be mad at being lied to, I was.

whynotminot 2y ago
Does the foot soldier carrying out a raid in some far flung corner of the globe understand (or care) about how his actions fit into a greater strategic whole? You're conflating tactical level action (some guy you don't like coming to your small company and demanding a different lug-nut while high-fiving the union rep) versus big picture strategic objectives. Which is weird because in other parts of your post you are grappling with big picture impacts -- cars got big. But then you're going down to "some of these a-holes I had to deal with didn't care about emissions! So this whole thing all the way up to Obama himself was never about emissions!" There are plenty of studies that show that the auto regulations did in fact reduce emissions substantially. You're also pointing out that there were other unintended side-effects. Totally valid! And I appreciate your on the ground perspective. But it's just so.... Breitbart to then go off on how this was really Obama progressive liberal control freak stuff and not actually about what the bill did in fact do, which was lower emissions.
- SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
  >There are plenty of studies that show that the auto regulations did in fact reduce emissions substantially. Wow, well, yea maybe my first hand experiences and career lessons are all wrong. Surely those studies were funded by groups that initially had interest in showing the opposite result and their funding was freely given regardless of the published outcome.

EricE 2y ago

Bad faith? If anything he was being overly generous in his political take.

SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
I’m used to it. I got to see a backdoor view of the process. The users here really believe the front end view they’re told.