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Well I know that he made Apple Inc back in 80s, but really, what did Woz do since then? Steve Jobs made iTunes, iPod, iPad, iPhone. Woz said some things and wa

by runn1ng 14y ago

Well I know that he made Apple Inc back in 80s, but really, what did Woz do since then? Steve Jobs made iTunes, iPod, iPad, iPhone. Woz said some things and was on dancing with the stars.

taligent 14y ago
It's a shame you got downvoted for this because it is true. No one is dismissing Woz's great achievements in the past but what he is, right now, is a celebrity. And it is a shame because his tacky, D-list behaviour demeans what was one of the more remarkable eras in world history i.e rise of computing and the famous Apple-Microsoft rivalry.
- prawn 14y ago
  Reminded me of this: http://mumbrella.com.au/woz-not-great-92499 http://mumbrella.com.au/woz-not-great-92499
  - CamperBob2 14y ago
    TL,DR: Woz is no Steve Jobs. Ric Romero has more on this breaking story at 10.
tikhonj 14y ago
Right, because being the chief scientist at FusionIO is not interesting at all. FusionIO is easily one of the most interesting tech startups around, and are a company with serious engineering innovation rather than just a clever business plan.
- taligent 14y ago
  Just to clarify though FusionIO had all of their products shipping way before Woz was on board. It seems to me that his role is more of an evangelist.
veb 14y ago
Steve Jobs did not make iTunes, iPod, iPad. He might've drawn a picture and said, "I want it to look like that.", but he didn't make it. If I simply drew an interactive touchscreen toilet seat, and had an army of minions to actually get it to the market, all I'd need to do is sell it. That's what Steve Jobs did. I'm not saying he's not worthy of your love, but to say "Steve Jobs did XYZ... what has Woz done?" is quite ignorant, considering Woz did make the original Apple machines!
- taligent 14y ago
  Firstly, Steve Jobs name is on many of the key patents associated with those devices and I doubt anyone would think that he didn't have a role in the design and development. Secondly, engineers are a dime a dozen. I am one and have met hundreds over my lifetime. The really key people in business and most rare are those that can unify the business, marketing, design and technology elements together in a way that doesn't suck.
  - beedogs 14y ago
    Most of Jobs' patents are for trade dress and product design.
  - tg3 14y ago
    You should read Founders at Work and Steve Jobs. Both paint pictures of Woz as the guy who quite literally designed and built the Apple I and Apple II (although not quite as much as Apple I), off of which the company was built. Without Woz, there is not Apple. There is not technology elements to unify without him. He is not a dime a dozen.
a_bonobo 14y ago
Woz is one of the original financial backers of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, and is still involved with the EFF, his main-job right now is chief scientist of Fusion-io. I would say the importance of the EFF far outranks the importance of Apple's over-priced toys.
astrodust 14y ago
Steve Jobs wasn't involved in a terrible plane crash that left him literally dazed and confused, not sure if he could even work again. While you're at it, you can go and bust on Paul Allen for wimping out when he contracted a potentially fatal disease and had to leave Microsoft.
DanBC 14y ago
> Steve Jobs made iTunes, iPod, iPad, iPhone. Steve Jobs told other people to make iTunes, iPod, iPad, iPhone. And, really, did he do anything apart from telling people to make it smaller or shinier? Woz knew how to make things smaller, simpler, better. iTunes is a horrific barking dog piece of software. Many people only use it because they are forced to do so by vendor lock in with their mp3 playing device.

by runn1ng 14y ago

Well I know that he made Apple Inc back in 80s, but really, what did Woz do since then? Steve Jobs made iTunes, iPod, iPad, iPhone. Woz said some things and was on dancing with the stars.

taligent 14y ago

It's a shame you got downvoted for this because it is true. No one is dismissing Woz's great achievements in the past but what he is, right now, is a celebrity. And it is a shame because his tacky, D-list behaviour demeans what was one of the more remarkable eras in world history i.e rise of computing and the famous Apple-Microsoft rivalry.

prawn 14y ago
Reminded me of this: http://mumbrella.com.au/woz-not-great-92499 http://mumbrella.com.au/woz-not-great-92499
- CamperBob2 14y ago
  TL,DR: Woz is no Steve Jobs. Ric Romero has more on this breaking story at 10.

tikhonj 14y ago

Right, because being the chief scientist at FusionIO is not interesting at all. FusionIO is easily one of the most interesting tech startups around, and are a company with serious engineering innovation rather than just a clever business plan.

taligent 14y ago
Just to clarify though FusionIO had all of their products shipping way before Woz was on board. It seems to me that his role is more of an evangelist.

veb 14y ago

Steve Jobs did not make iTunes, iPod, iPad. He might've drawn a picture and said, "I want it to look like that.", but he didn't make it. If I simply drew an interactive touchscreen toilet seat, and had an army of minions to actually get it to the market, all I'd need to do is sell it. That's what Steve Jobs did. I'm not saying he's not worthy of your love, but to say "Steve Jobs did XYZ... what has Woz done?" is quite ignorant, considering Woz did make the original Apple machines!

taligent 14y ago
Firstly, Steve Jobs name is on many of the key patents associated with those devices and I doubt anyone would think that he didn't have a role in the design and development. Secondly, engineers are a dime a dozen. I am one and have met hundreds over my lifetime. The really key people in business and most rare are those that can unify the business, marketing, design and technology elements together in a way that doesn't suck.
- beedogs 14y ago
  Most of Jobs' patents are for trade dress and product design.
- tg3 14y ago
  You should read Founders at Work and Steve Jobs. Both paint pictures of Woz as the guy who quite literally designed and built the Apple I and Apple II (although not quite as much as Apple I), off of which the company was built. Without Woz, there is not Apple. There is not technology elements to unify without him. He is not a dime a dozen.

a_bonobo 14y ago

Woz is one of the original financial backers of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, and is still involved with the EFF, his main-job right now is chief scientist of Fusion-io. I would say the importance of the EFF far outranks the importance of Apple's over-priced toys.

astrodust 14y ago

Steve Jobs wasn't involved in a terrible plane crash that left him literally dazed and confused, not sure if he could even work again. While you're at it, you can go and bust on Paul Allen for wimping out when he contracted a potentially fatal disease and had to leave Microsoft.

DanBC 14y ago

> Steve Jobs made iTunes, iPod, iPad, iPhone. Steve Jobs told other people to make iTunes, iPod, iPad, iPhone. And, really, did he do anything apart from telling people to make it smaller or shinier? Woz knew how to make things smaller, simpler, better. iTunes is a horrific barking dog piece of software. Many people only use it because they are forced to do so by vendor lock in with their mp3 playing device.