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There's also helix now, which requires next to no setup, but requires learning new motions (subject is before the verb in helix)

gregjor 2y ago
I looked at Helix but since I dream in vim motions at this point (vi user since it came out) I'd have to see a 10x improvement to switch. VSCode didn't give me a 10X improvement, I doubt Helix would.
- VHRanger 2y ago
  Helix certainly won't give you a 10x improvement. It tends to convert a lot of people moving "up" from VS Code, and still a decent chunk, but certainly fewer neovim users moving "down". Advantages of Helix are pretty straightforward: 1. Very little configuration bullshit to deal with. There's not even a plugin system yet! You just paste your favorite config file and language/LSP config file and you're good to go. For anything else, submit a pull request. 2. Built in LSP support for basically anything an LSP exists for. 3. There's a bit of a new generation command line IDE forming itself around zellij (tmux that doesn't suck) + helix + yazi (basically nnn or mc on crack, highly recommended). That whole zellij+helix+yazi environment is frankly a joy to work in, and might be the 2-3x improvement over neovim that makes the switch worth it.
  - gregjor 2y ago
    Like I wrote, I looked at Helix. Seems cool but not enough for me to switch. And I would have to install it on the machines I work on, which very often I can't do because of company policies, or can't waste the non-billable time on. I only recently moved from screen to tmux, and I still have to fall back to screen sometimes because tmux doesn't come with every Linux distro. I expect I will retire before I think tmux (or screen, for that matter) "sucks" to the point I would look at something else. And again I very often can't install things on customer servers anyway.
    - VHRanger 2y ago
      Tmux does suck pretty bad though? It conflicts with the clipboard and a bunch of hotkeys, and configuring it never works because they have breaking change in how their config file works ever 6months or so. These days I only use it to launch a long running job in ssh to detach the session it's on and leave.
      - gregjor 2y ago
        That’s more or less what I use it for — keeping sessions alive. I don’t use 90% of the features. vim does splits, and there’s ctrl-Z to background it and get a shell. I know I could get more out of tmux but haven’t really needed to. I use it with the default config. I have learned from experience that the less I try to customize my environment the less non-billable time I waste trying to get that working and maintaining it.

gregjor 2y ago

I looked at Helix but since I dream in vim motions at this point (vi user since it came out) I'd have to see a 10x improvement to switch. VSCode didn't give me a 10X improvement, I doubt Helix would.

VHRanger 2y ago
Helix certainly won't give you a 10x improvement. It tends to convert a lot of people moving "up" from VS Code, and still a decent chunk, but certainly fewer neovim users moving "down". Advantages of Helix are pretty straightforward: 1. Very little configuration bullshit to deal with. There's not even a plugin system yet! You just paste your favorite config file and language/LSP config file and you're good to go. For anything else, submit a pull request. 2. Built in LSP support for basically anything an LSP exists for. 3. There's a bit of a new generation command line IDE forming itself around zellij (tmux that doesn't suck) + helix + yazi (basically nnn or mc on crack, highly recommended). That whole zellij+helix+yazi environment is frankly a joy to work in, and might be the 2-3x improvement over neovim that makes the switch worth it.
- gregjor 2y ago
  Like I wrote, I looked at Helix. Seems cool but not enough for me to switch. And I would have to install it on the machines I work on, which very often I can't do because of company policies, or can't waste the non-billable time on. I only recently moved from screen to tmux, and I still have to fall back to screen sometimes because tmux doesn't come with every Linux distro. I expect I will retire before I think tmux (or screen, for that matter) "sucks" to the point I would look at something else. And again I very often can't install things on customer servers anyway.
  - VHRanger 2y ago
    Tmux does suck pretty bad though? It conflicts with the clipboard and a bunch of hotkeys, and configuring it never works because they have breaking change in how their config file works ever 6months or so. These days I only use it to launch a long running job in ssh to detach the session it's on and leave.
    - gregjor 2y ago
      That’s more or less what I use it for — keeping sessions alive. I don’t use 90% of the features. vim does splits, and there’s ctrl-Z to background it and get a shell. I know I could get more out of tmux but haven’t really needed to. I use it with the default config. I have learned from experience that the less I try to customize my environment the less non-billable time I waste trying to get that working and maintaining it.