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Probably your cultural background. The attitudes towards nakedness are very different across cultures. Your attitude seem to be that if you sexualize the back o

Probably your cultural background. The attitudes towards nakedness are very different across cultures. Your attitude seem to be that if you sexualize the back of a women it is the woman who is the problem and should be covered up.

quietbritishjim 2y ago
> Your attitude seem to be that ... it is the woman who is the problem and should be covered up. 100% not. In fact it's the opposite: you're supposing that a woman in swimwear at a beach is giving implied consent for her image to be used in a radically different context. That would put the onus on the woman to cover up in a way that I wouldn't. In any case, I think the bigger problem is actually for instead those people in the business environment where this appears. Is it really a surprise that a semi-nude image used for illustrating image processing software is of a woman? Do you honestly think it is just as a likely as a man? I know the term "micro aggression" is controversial but sexist choices like this are real and common and do have an impact on attitudes for both men and women.
- bazoom42 2y ago
  > you're supposing that a woman in swimwear at a beach is giving implied consent for her image to be used in a radically different context. Are you suggeting he used the image of his wife without her consent? That would indeed be inappropriate, but the article does not seem to support this accusation. The quote from her imply she is fine with it: > "The beauty of the internet is that people can take things, and do what they want with them, to project what they want or feel," she says.
- runjake 2y ago
  Do you feel the statue of David is sexual and/or sexist? What about the numerous Greek statues of completely nude, anatomically-accurate men? Given my cultural background, it disturbs me that you’ve sexualized this photo enough to start casting the shadow of sexist offenses onto others, when it’s an opportunity for self-reflection. Why are you sexualizing this photo?
  - eigenket 2y ago
    > Do you feel the statue of David is sexual and/or sexist? I'm not the person you asked but I feel like answering with my (unwanted) perspective. The statue of David, in its current context in a museum is not a particuarly sexual or sexist object. On the other hand if my employer (or whoever) started introducing equivalent statues of naked people (of any sex) into my workplace I would probably view that as innapropriate. This is essentially how I view the image of Jennifer - in the context of a loving relationship between two people on the beach its a nice thing, but I would view it as a bit weird if someone at my workplace started sharing an equivalent picture of their partner.
    - bazoom42 2y ago
      The question is - is it you or Michelangelo who is the problem? Some people are offendend by women having uncovered hair. Being offended does not mean everyone else have to accomodate you.
      - eigenket 2y ago
        > The question is - is it you or Michelangelo who is the problem? Clearly in the context of my comment its neither. Its whoever is bringing the naked statues into my workplace. This (to me) is such a blindingly obvious third option that I assume you deliberately didn't include it as an option because you're trying to argue a point you know is flawed.
        bazoom42 2y ago
        You are assuming the art-less workplace is the natural default. I’m from a culture where having art in the workplace and in public spaces is common and generally appreciated.
        eigenket 2y ago
        I think you're assuming that the way people interact with something is independent of its context. The impact of (to take a random example) a university having a statue of Venus or whatever in the grounds, is not the same as having the Lenna image in a textbook https://www.cmc.edu/news/every-picture-tells-a-story https://www.cmc.edu/news/every-picture-tells-a-story Even though the statue might objectively be showing more, people are not automata, so the context is everything.

quietbritishjim 2y ago

> Your attitude seem to be that ... it is the woman who is the problem and should be covered up. 100% not. In fact it's the opposite: you're supposing that a woman in swimwear at a beach is giving implied consent for her image to be used in a radically different context. That would put the onus on the woman to cover up in a way that I wouldn't. In any case, I think the bigger problem is actually for instead those people in the business environment where this appears. Is it really a surprise that a semi-nude image used for illustrating image processing software is of a woman? Do you honestly think it is just as a likely as a man? I know the term "micro aggression" is controversial but sexist choices like this are real and common and do have an impact on attitudes for both men and women.

bazoom42 2y ago
> you're supposing that a woman in swimwear at a beach is giving implied consent for her image to be used in a radically different context. Are you suggeting he used the image of his wife without her consent? That would indeed be inappropriate, but the article does not seem to support this accusation. The quote from her imply she is fine with it: > "The beauty of the internet is that people can take things, and do what they want with them, to project what they want or feel," she says.
runjake 2y ago
Do you feel the statue of David is sexual and/or sexist? What about the numerous Greek statues of completely nude, anatomically-accurate men? Given my cultural background, it disturbs me that you’ve sexualized this photo enough to start casting the shadow of sexist offenses onto others, when it’s an opportunity for self-reflection. Why are you sexualizing this photo?
- eigenket 2y ago
  > Do you feel the statue of David is sexual and/or sexist? I'm not the person you asked but I feel like answering with my (unwanted) perspective. The statue of David, in its current context in a museum is not a particuarly sexual or sexist object. On the other hand if my employer (or whoever) started introducing equivalent statues of naked people (of any sex) into my workplace I would probably view that as innapropriate. This is essentially how I view the image of Jennifer - in the context of a loving relationship between two people on the beach its a nice thing, but I would view it as a bit weird if someone at my workplace started sharing an equivalent picture of their partner.
  - bazoom42 2y ago
    The question is - is it you or Michelangelo who is the problem? Some people are offendend by women having uncovered hair. Being offended does not mean everyone else have to accomodate you.
    - eigenket 2y ago
      > The question is - is it you or Michelangelo who is the problem? Clearly in the context of my comment its neither. Its whoever is bringing the naked statues into my workplace. This (to me) is such a blindingly obvious third option that I assume you deliberately didn't include it as an option because you're trying to argue a point you know is flawed.
      - bazoom42 2y ago
        You are assuming the art-less workplace is the natural default. I’m from a culture where having art in the workplace and in public spaces is common and generally appreciated.
        eigenket 2y ago
        I think you're assuming that the way people interact with something is independent of its context. The impact of (to take a random example) a university having a statue of Venus or whatever in the grounds, is not the same as having the Lenna image in a textbook https://www.cmc.edu/news/every-picture-tells-a-story https://www.cmc.edu/news/every-picture-tells-a-story Even though the statue might objectively be showing more, people are not automata, so the context is everything.