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Internet raises $150K for bullied bus monitor in one day

15 points by rhartsock 14y ago

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mayneack 14y ago
This video was clearly taken by some of the kids involved. I'll bet they really regret posting it on the internet now. I guess they're young, but I'm often shocked with how little people think about the negative consequences to allowing a video you post to become publicly available on youtube.
- apitaru 14y ago
  I find it interesting that this is what you took out of the story. I'm not suggesting it's wrong. My immediate reaction was: 1) These kids are evil. 2) Are they spoiled rich kids? 3) How do I reduce the odds of my kid behaving like that in 10 years. btw - I'd like to hope the kid who video-taped it knew exactly what he /she was doing. Maybe a silver lining in an otherwise depressing bus ride (that and the 100k).
  - cslacasse 14y ago
    That is the immediate reaction of most decent people that read the story or watch the video. The problem with commenting about how horrifying it is is that it's not a unique observation and therefore not that interesting. I am really interested in your third point about preventing this sort of behavior. Contrary to what most parents will say, almost all teenagers are capable of this sort of behavior given the right (or wrong) sequence of events paired with peer pressure. The job for us as parents is to teach our children to be aware of negative influences from peers so that they can either avoid or stand out against things like this. How do we do teach them? Not sure. But we MUST figure it out before they find themselves in situations like this.
    - apitaru 14y ago
      > The problem with commenting about how horrifying it is is that it's not a unique observation and therefore not that interesting. Fair enough. But again - this wasn't a judgement. Maybe I expected a quick vague reference to one of these obvious points. > How do we do teach them? Not sure. On one side kids will be kids. On the other hand, adults fail in similar ways, sometimes spectacularly - and then millions of people are allowed to die (Sorry for the dramatic delivery). These situations have a certain 'smell' to them, which I think kids can identify. Maybe it's not as stinky as stealing, but there's definitely a fragrance. It'll be great if we can have a red light blink in their heads at the point - an inner voice saying: "I know what's going on. It's just as wrong as stealing. Option 1: stay away from the situation. Option 2 (better): fine a way to stop it." How do we teach our kids that it's wrong to steal and lie? I'm guessing here: Train them to defer instant gratification in favor of a higher ground. I hope I don't sound silly. I'm a young parent and Bob Dylan is playing in the background.
  - Estragon 14y ago
    The kids are probably in even greater need of compassion than the lady they were harassing is, because they probably learned this attitude at the core of this behavior from their parents.
    - DugFin 14y ago
      Mmmmm..... as someone who works for a huge school district with hundreds of schools with students running the gamut from poorest of the poor to richest of the rich, I can tell you they didn't LEARN this behavior from their parents. Rather, they have never been taught to NOT behave like that. Even those with decent parents will sometimes act like horrid little turds. The natural state of the 12-13 year old Middle School Child is that of a vicious, immoral monster. Most will eventually mature into normal, empathetic humans, but at that age, they're ALL terrible. I neither feel compassion nor hate for them. I detest them for their behavior, and think what they need is some sort of long, unpleasant punishment (e.g. grounded for 4 weeks, during which they clean out the Augean stable) but this is not worthy of any permanent judgement.
  - gwright 14y ago
    1) These kids aren't evil and certainly aren't beyond redemption. They do need to be disciplined (i.e. they need to see there are bad consequences for their inappropriate actions). 2) I can't understand why the wealth of the parents is a concern. I don't think this behavior is correlated with wealth. 3) Be a parent and not a friend to your children. Discipline them when they mess up (and they will mess up in big and small ways). Don't feel bad about it, feel good that you are reigning them in before they show up on YouTube.
    - ebrenes 14y ago
      To steal a quote from Forest Gump: "Evil is as evil does". I don't believe evil is an immutable property of an object; these kids were evil by virtue of their actions. I also believe that, yes, children can be evil. That they don't know any better is a testament to the lousy job their guardians have done in raising them.
      - gwright 14y ago
        OK, but that isn't what you wrote. It is one thing to say their actions "are" evil. Quite another to say the kids "are" evil.
maxko87 14y ago
This is amazing. I remember being horrified after seeing this on reddit a few days ago. Glad there's somethiing we can all do -- this campaign really shows internet support and kindness in a great light.
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laserDinosaur 14y ago
Excuse my ignorance, but what's a bus monitor?
- cdr 14y ago
  You ought to be able to google it, but it's a person assigned to assist the bus driver - mainly with keeping order among students - so that the driver can concentrate on driving. Reasonably common on American schoolbuses, depending on the district.
  - laserDinosaur 14y ago
    "You ought to be able to google it", I know, but I figured there might be something specific to this case, so I thought I'd ask. "but it's a person assigned to assist the bus driver" Should she maybe not have been doing a better job of keeping the kids in line? Does she not have the power to stand up, tell them to shut up and pull the bus over? I'm not excusing their behaviour in the slightest, it just seems that she wasn't really performing the task she was hired to do.
    - gwright 14y ago
      It wouldn't surprise me if she had the responsibility for keeping order but not the authority or support (from administration and parents) to do so.
- showerst 14y ago
  Generally in the US any time there's a bus full of kids, there's an authority figure that's not a teacher in charge of discipline. Sometimes it's the driver, sometimes a separate monitor. At least when I was in grade school 15-20 years ago those people were generally not well respected by students, as they couldn't mete out real consequences for misbehavior.
guynamedloren 14y ago
link to funding campaign: http://www.indiegogo.com/loveforkarenhklein http://www.indiegogo.com/loveforkarenhklein at $273k now, just 1 hour after this post.
- rsiqueira 14y ago
  $420k now, just 8 hours after your post!!! Goal was $5k. Still 29 days left...

15 points by rhartsock 14y ago

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This video was clearly taken by some of the kids involved. I'll bet they really regret posting it on the internet now. I guess they're young, but I'm often shocked with how little people think about the negative consequences to allowing a video you post to become publicly available on youtube.

apitaru 14y ago
I find it interesting that this is what you took out of the story. I'm not suggesting it's wrong. My immediate reaction was: 1) These kids are evil. 2) Are they spoiled rich kids? 3) How do I reduce the odds of my kid behaving like that in 10 years. btw - I'd like to hope the kid who video-taped it knew exactly what he /she was doing. Maybe a silver lining in an otherwise depressing bus ride (that and the 100k).
- cslacasse 14y ago
  That is the immediate reaction of most decent people that read the story or watch the video. The problem with commenting about how horrifying it is is that it's not a unique observation and therefore not that interesting. I am really interested in your third point about preventing this sort of behavior. Contrary to what most parents will say, almost all teenagers are capable of this sort of behavior given the right (or wrong) sequence of events paired with peer pressure. The job for us as parents is to teach our children to be aware of negative influences from peers so that they can either avoid or stand out against things like this. How do we do teach them? Not sure. But we MUST figure it out before they find themselves in situations like this.
  - apitaru 14y ago
    > The problem with commenting about how horrifying it is is that it's not a unique observation and therefore not that interesting. Fair enough. But again - this wasn't a judgement. Maybe I expected a quick vague reference to one of these obvious points. > How do we do teach them? Not sure. On one side kids will be kids. On the other hand, adults fail in similar ways, sometimes spectacularly - and then millions of people are allowed to die (Sorry for the dramatic delivery). These situations have a certain 'smell' to them, which I think kids can identify. Maybe it's not as stinky as stealing, but there's definitely a fragrance. It'll be great if we can have a red light blink in their heads at the point - an inner voice saying: "I know what's going on. It's just as wrong as stealing. Option 1: stay away from the situation. Option 2 (better): fine a way to stop it." How do we teach our kids that it's wrong to steal and lie? I'm guessing here: Train them to defer instant gratification in favor of a higher ground. I hope I don't sound silly. I'm a young parent and Bob Dylan is playing in the background.
- Estragon 14y ago
  The kids are probably in even greater need of compassion than the lady they were harassing is, because they probably learned this attitude at the core of this behavior from their parents.
  - DugFin 14y ago
    Mmmmm..... as someone who works for a huge school district with hundreds of schools with students running the gamut from poorest of the poor to richest of the rich, I can tell you they didn't LEARN this behavior from their parents. Rather, they have never been taught to NOT behave like that. Even those with decent parents will sometimes act like horrid little turds. The natural state of the 12-13 year old Middle School Child is that of a vicious, immoral monster. Most will eventually mature into normal, empathetic humans, but at that age, they're ALL terrible. I neither feel compassion nor hate for them. I detest them for their behavior, and think what they need is some sort of long, unpleasant punishment (e.g. grounded for 4 weeks, during which they clean out the Augean stable) but this is not worthy of any permanent judgement.
- gwright 14y ago
  1) These kids aren't evil and certainly aren't beyond redemption. They do need to be disciplined (i.e. they need to see there are bad consequences for their inappropriate actions). 2) I can't understand why the wealth of the parents is a concern. I don't think this behavior is correlated with wealth. 3) Be a parent and not a friend to your children. Discipline them when they mess up (and they will mess up in big and small ways). Don't feel bad about it, feel good that you are reigning them in before they show up on YouTube.
  - ebrenes 14y ago
    To steal a quote from Forest Gump: "Evil is as evil does". I don't believe evil is an immutable property of an object; these kids were evil by virtue of their actions. I also believe that, yes, children can be evil. That they don't know any better is a testament to the lousy job their guardians have done in raising them.
    - gwright 14y ago
      OK, but that isn't what you wrote. It is one thing to say their actions "are" evil. Quite another to say the kids "are" evil.

maxko87 14y ago

This is amazing. I remember being horrified after seeing this on reddit a few days ago. Glad there's somethiing we can all do -- this campaign really shows internet support and kindness in a great light.

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laserDinosaur 14y ago

Excuse my ignorance, but what's a bus monitor?

cdr 14y ago
You ought to be able to google it, but it's a person assigned to assist the bus driver - mainly with keeping order among students - so that the driver can concentrate on driving. Reasonably common on American schoolbuses, depending on the district.
- laserDinosaur 14y ago
  "You ought to be able to google it", I know, but I figured there might be something specific to this case, so I thought I'd ask. "but it's a person assigned to assist the bus driver" Should she maybe not have been doing a better job of keeping the kids in line? Does she not have the power to stand up, tell them to shut up and pull the bus over? I'm not excusing their behaviour in the slightest, it just seems that she wasn't really performing the task she was hired to do.
  - gwright 14y ago
    It wouldn't surprise me if she had the responsibility for keeping order but not the authority or support (from administration and parents) to do so.
showerst 14y ago
Generally in the US any time there's a bus full of kids, there's an authority figure that's not a teacher in charge of discipline. Sometimes it's the driver, sometimes a separate monitor. At least when I was in grade school 15-20 years ago those people were generally not well respected by students, as they couldn't mete out real consequences for misbehavior.

guynamedloren 14y ago

link to funding campaign: http://www.indiegogo.com/loveforkarenhklein http://www.indiegogo.com/loveforkarenhklein at $273k now, just 1 hour after this post.

rsiqueira 14y ago
$420k now, just 8 hours after your post!!! Goal was $5k. Still 29 days left...