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Is your response meant to be satirical in nature? > Otherwise I eat when hungry, tinker until distracted, sleep when drowsy Dog, that’s how it’s MEANT TO BE.

Is your response meant to be satirical in nature? > Otherwise I eat when hungry, tinker until distracted, sleep when drowsy Dog, that’s how it’s MEANT TO BE. Being on a schedule is unnatural. Really have another think about your response

fragmede 2y ago
I don't care what our ancestors did before the invention of time keeping devices. If I only sleep when drowsy, I get on a weird schedule. I'll stay up late tinkering, not getting distracted, and find it's 2am and still not be drowsy. When I do finally sleep at like 4am, the next day is off and I stay up until 6am. And so on and so forth.T gets bad. So I (try to) put myself to bed on a schedule, and things are generally better. A slavish adherence to a schedule might be unhealthy, but so's a 100% impulse driven one. We're humans, not lizards, driven only by instinct, hunting for food on the savannah. We buy our food from the supermarket and have concepts like money and time and consent. The invention of the lightbulb extends the useful part of the day, so if we want to live as our ancestors did, we'd have to give that up and rise with the sun and live in darkness after night has fallen. Personally, I'm not willing to live like that except for camping trips/similar. Nine AM Monday morning meetings aren't my favorite either, but they're part of living in our modern society, some have opted out and are happier for it, but not everyone would be. Scheduling is a tool to help with the coordination problem of doing things with other people. Unless your all live together and get on the same schedule and have also the same cadence for sleep/tinkering/eating, you'll want to coordinate. a time for lunch and sleeping so that paired tinkering can happen.
AStonesThrow 2y ago
Lack of structure, schedule and discipline can really tear people up psychologically. My last job, 2020-2024, was 100% WFH. My first role was on an exact schedule, 3 days a week. I found myself falling asleep during work and I was caught, too. Then I transitioned to a role with a flexible schedule. They paid lip service to shift schedules, but in reality, I clocked in/out whenever I could, and as long as work was done and hours were clocked, nobody batted an eyelash. And I hated it. But I loved it. Because I couldn't sit still at home, I found myself leaving my desk constantly, getting hungry or sleepy just after clocking in, or my insomnia presented an opportunity for long graveyard shifts where nobody was on Slack. No meetings, no cameras, no dress code. All this was detrimental to my work ethic and my attitude. It's not easy to feel like a professional in my living room wearing pajamas. So I do not recommend WFH unless you are highly disciplined and independently capable. Mental hospitals and other rehab facilities impose rigid structures and schedules on the residents. You'll know what time they're waking you up, what time to eat, when to do hygiene, when medication is coming, and the groups/events that are planned. Patient improvement, often attributed to medication, is often thanks to the peace of mind, and lack of uncertainty, brought by all that discipline. Being on a schedule like a train timetable may be unnatural. But even agrarian societies clung to their timepieces and calendars to tell them when and how to work on the farm, to care for animals, and to prepare for climate changes. I don't know about you, but I enjoy being asleep when it's dark, awake when the Sun is out, and sometimes I go a little crazy because I forget that stores and businesses have hours, and may be closed if I don't check before heading out. The world around us is scheduled and programmed, and I don't know, perhaps unemployment is an opportunity to cut loose and make our own time, but for me it's crazymaking. Someone who's on a cruise ship or hanging out at a beach resort may feel differently. If you're unemployed and actively interviewing, do you schedule interviews, or do you just say "I'll be in when I finish eating and traffic is light"??? It would seem in our best interest to continue observing a schedule, so that inertia doesn't kill our employability. I also find that I am a better worker when I can estimate how long a task will take, how much I can get done in a typical shift, and how to prioritize my time so that management is satisfied with my output and productivity. I worked as a receptionist for two years, and boy howdy, I learned how to be jack-of-all-trades, and multitasked according to business demands, but at the end of the day, I had to pop everything off the stack of my desk and clear it off entirely before I could lock up and leave the office, so you can be sure that I anticipated quitting time. That was indeed unnatural for me: I am someone who starts things I can't finish, leaves windows open for weeks, makes a mess on the floor and runs out of energy to clean it up again. So the opposite experience at work was quite welcome, and helped me achieve better results outside of work.
- purple-leafy 2y ago
  I think modern work-life tears people up psychologically, to a point where they think wanting to sleep during the day, eat during the day, and not wanting to work and not wanting to sit at a desk. I argue all the above is natural tendencies! Though I entertain that certain schedules can be healthy - rising and sleeping with the sun, sorting hygiene upon waking. I really question the modern way of working since moving to a 4 day work week. I think we are all cucked into accepting that working during all the waking hours at a screen should be the norm 72% of the week with only 14% of your waking hours relaxing
  - AStonesThrow 2y ago
    Regularly-timed sleep and regularly-timed, appropriate meals are two of the most important factors, along with proper exercise, in mood and feelings of well-being. If someone follows the passions of their flesh, day in and day out, they will feel unfulfilled and lose pleasure; their mood could become depressed; they will be out of touch with the world's cycles and rhythms. If you can count on waking up regularly (whether based on sidereal or railroad time zones) and count on meals at appointed times, and you dress for the day and don't lounge in your pajamas, and you get to the gym or have a walk, and you keep up your physical appearance and hygiene, then I guarantee that your mood and pleasurable experiences will benefit from that. And an unemployed person at risk of depression needs that regularity and discipline all the more. And yes, if none of this comes naturally, then we gotta fight our inherent tendencies to fall apart, we need to establish structures that are reasonable and achievable, and we need to strive for adherence, hour by hour, day by day. For other people, chilling out and letting go is more important, and relaxation is always beneficial--recreation should be built into any structured, disciplined schedule and not neglected by any means.
- drewcoo 2y ago
  > Mental hospitals and other rehab facilities impose rigid structures and schedules on the residents So do schools. So does the military. Those are structures of control. There are a variety of opinions pro and con on control and well-being. > But even agrarian societies clung to their timepieces Agriculture doesn't require timepieces. For thousands of years we farmed without them. Timepieces originated with religious practices, fwiw, as more control mechanisms. > I also find that I am a better worker when I can estimate how long a task will take, how much I can get done in a typical shift, and how to prioritize my time so that management is satisfied with my output and productivity. The "good little worker" who follows instructions, does everything on schedule, and exhibits small timed movements/tasks is an invention of the industrial revolution so that workers could be treated as controlled cogs in machines. Some people respond "well" to these control mechanisms. Some don't. They're all really recent changes in the way humans do things, though.

fragmede 2y ago

I don't care what our ancestors did before the invention of time keeping devices. If I only sleep when drowsy, I get on a weird schedule. I'll stay up late tinkering, not getting distracted, and find it's 2am and still not be drowsy. When I do finally sleep at like 4am, the next day is off and I stay up until 6am. And so on and so forth.T gets bad. So I (try to) put myself to bed on a schedule, and things are generally better. A slavish adherence to a schedule might be unhealthy, but so's a 100% impulse driven one. We're humans, not lizards, driven only by instinct, hunting for food on the savannah. We buy our food from the supermarket and have concepts like money and time and consent. The invention of the lightbulb extends the useful part of the day, so if we want to live as our ancestors did, we'd have to give that up and rise with the sun and live in darkness after night has fallen. Personally, I'm not willing to live like that except for camping trips/similar. Nine AM Monday morning meetings aren't my favorite either, but they're part of living in our modern society, some have opted out and are happier for it, but not everyone would be. Scheduling is a tool to help with the coordination problem of doing things with other people. Unless your all live together and get on the same schedule and have also the same cadence for sleep/tinkering/eating, you'll want to coordinate. a time for lunch and sleeping so that paired tinkering can happen.

AStonesThrow 2y ago

Lack of structure, schedule and discipline can really tear people up psychologically. My last job, 2020-2024, was 100% WFH. My first role was on an exact schedule, 3 days a week. I found myself falling asleep during work and I was caught, too. Then I transitioned to a role with a flexible schedule. They paid lip service to shift schedules, but in reality, I clocked in/out whenever I could, and as long as work was done and hours were clocked, nobody batted an eyelash. And I hated it. But I loved it. Because I couldn't sit still at home, I found myself leaving my desk constantly, getting hungry or sleepy just after clocking in, or my insomnia presented an opportunity for long graveyard shifts where nobody was on Slack. No meetings, no cameras, no dress code. All this was detrimental to my work ethic and my attitude. It's not easy to feel like a professional in my living room wearing pajamas. So I do not recommend WFH unless you are highly disciplined and independently capable. Mental hospitals and other rehab facilities impose rigid structures and schedules on the residents. You'll know what time they're waking you up, what time to eat, when to do hygiene, when medication is coming, and the groups/events that are planned. Patient improvement, often attributed to medication, is often thanks to the peace of mind, and lack of uncertainty, brought by all that discipline. Being on a schedule like a train timetable may be unnatural. But even agrarian societies clung to their timepieces and calendars to tell them when and how to work on the farm, to care for animals, and to prepare for climate changes. I don't know about you, but I enjoy being asleep when it's dark, awake when the Sun is out, and sometimes I go a little crazy because I forget that stores and businesses have hours, and may be closed if I don't check before heading out. The world around us is scheduled and programmed, and I don't know, perhaps unemployment is an opportunity to cut loose and make our own time, but for me it's crazymaking. Someone who's on a cruise ship or hanging out at a beach resort may feel differently. If you're unemployed and actively interviewing, do you schedule interviews, or do you just say "I'll be in when I finish eating and traffic is light"??? It would seem in our best interest to continue observing a schedule, so that inertia doesn't kill our employability. I also find that I am a better worker when I can estimate how long a task will take, how much I can get done in a typical shift, and how to prioritize my time so that management is satisfied with my output and productivity. I worked as a receptionist for two years, and boy howdy, I learned how to be jack-of-all-trades, and multitasked according to business demands, but at the end of the day, I had to pop everything off the stack of my desk and clear it off entirely before I could lock up and leave the office, so you can be sure that I anticipated quitting time. That was indeed unnatural for me: I am someone who starts things I can't finish, leaves windows open for weeks, makes a mess on the floor and runs out of energy to clean it up again. So the opposite experience at work was quite welcome, and helped me achieve better results outside of work.

purple-leafy 2y ago
I think modern work-life tears people up psychologically, to a point where they think wanting to sleep during the day, eat during the day, and not wanting to work and not wanting to sit at a desk. I argue all the above is natural tendencies! Though I entertain that certain schedules can be healthy - rising and sleeping with the sun, sorting hygiene upon waking. I really question the modern way of working since moving to a 4 day work week. I think we are all cucked into accepting that working during all the waking hours at a screen should be the norm 72% of the week with only 14% of your waking hours relaxing
- AStonesThrow 2y ago
  Regularly-timed sleep and regularly-timed, appropriate meals are two of the most important factors, along with proper exercise, in mood and feelings of well-being. If someone follows the passions of their flesh, day in and day out, they will feel unfulfilled and lose pleasure; their mood could become depressed; they will be out of touch with the world's cycles and rhythms. If you can count on waking up regularly (whether based on sidereal or railroad time zones) and count on meals at appointed times, and you dress for the day and don't lounge in your pajamas, and you get to the gym or have a walk, and you keep up your physical appearance and hygiene, then I guarantee that your mood and pleasurable experiences will benefit from that. And an unemployed person at risk of depression needs that regularity and discipline all the more. And yes, if none of this comes naturally, then we gotta fight our inherent tendencies to fall apart, we need to establish structures that are reasonable and achievable, and we need to strive for adherence, hour by hour, day by day. For other people, chilling out and letting go is more important, and relaxation is always beneficial--recreation should be built into any structured, disciplined schedule and not neglected by any means.
drewcoo 2y ago
> Mental hospitals and other rehab facilities impose rigid structures and schedules on the residents So do schools. So does the military. Those are structures of control. There are a variety of opinions pro and con on control and well-being. > But even agrarian societies clung to their timepieces Agriculture doesn't require timepieces. For thousands of years we farmed without them. Timepieces originated with religious practices, fwiw, as more control mechanisms. > I also find that I am a better worker when I can estimate how long a task will take, how much I can get done in a typical shift, and how to prioritize my time so that management is satisfied with my output and productivity. The "good little worker" who follows instructions, does everything on schedule, and exhibits small timed movements/tasks is an invention of the industrial revolution so that workers could be treated as controlled cogs in machines. Some people respond "well" to these control mechanisms. Some don't. They're all really recent changes in the way humans do things, though.