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Add Germany to that list. A girl was sentenced to actual jail for insulting a rapist who was spared jail. Absolute madness.

by snehk 2y ago

GrassTheBikes 2y ago
Ursula Haverbeck always merits a mention too. Imagine people imprisoning a 90 year old woman for refusing to adopt their imposed narrative of a historical period in which she actively lived and participated.
- tasuki 2y ago
  > in which she actively lived and participated. Yes... ? She participated... on the side of the Nazis who murdered Jews? She even threatened Jews with "a new pogrom"? I'd imprison her all right!
eigenket 2y ago
Ok, there's some stuff that you seem confused about here. Firstly she wasn't sentenced for insulting him, she was sentenced for threats of violence against him, specifically she wrote something like "you won't be able to go anywhere without having your face kicked in" and leaked his personal information. Secondly she was in jail for 2 days, this was Freizeitarrest which is legally distinct from an actual prison sentence, with the aim of showing someone how unpleasant prison can be. You're not in a normal cell, don't have contact with regular prisoners, it doesn't leave a police record, doesn't have the same probation or anything. Finally he wasn't sentenced to jail because he was a minor. He did get sentenced to 60 hours of labor with the proceeds going to her. I don't know whether 60 hours of unpaid (presumably) unpleasant labor is harsher than the very short "jail" sentence she got, personally I would say so but it probably depends on the person. Personally I would agree that his sentence wasn't harsh enough, but German law doesn't really like giving minors harsh sentences. I think her punishment for the threats of violence were completely reasonable.
- throw10920 2y ago
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  - eigenket 2y ago
    > She was not jailed solely for the threats of violence. As far as I understand, yeah she was. I'm not an expert in the German legal system but while the defamation was also a crime my understanding is she wouldn't have been sent to jail for that. As far as the rest of your comment goes, I already said in the comment you're replying to that in my opinion the sentence he was given was significantly too light. Thats a specific weird thing about the German legal system, they are (in my opinion) very light on people who are being tried as juveniles. > You also missed the part about the fact that she got a harsher sentence for her speech than the rapist himself I literally mentioned that in the comment you're replying too and as I've now said three times, in my opinion his sentence was not harsh enough. I haven't lied anywhere on this thread.
    - throw10920 2y ago
      > my understanding is she wouldn't have been sent to jail for that. Your "understanding" directly contradicts the links I posted saying that she was jailed for her insulting/offensive remarks. > I haven't lied anywhere on this thread. > He didn't get 3 years in prison for telling people to go out and protest, he told people to “set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards”. That's a lie, right there. I was not referring to that person. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41429818 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41429818
      - eigenket 2y ago
        Copying and pasting from literally the third sentence of the link you posted > The young woman was convicted last week of sending "insulting and threatening" messages The threatening is important I didn't lie in the comment you linked, I just didn't magically guess which guy you were talking about. I apologise for that.

Add Germany to that list. A girl was sentenced to actual jail for insulting a rapist who was spared jail. Absolute madness.

by snehk 2y ago

Add Germany to that list. A girl was sentenced to actual jail for insulting a rapist who was spared jail. Absolute madness.

GrassTheBikes 2y ago

Ursula Haverbeck always merits a mention too. Imagine people imprisoning a 90 year old woman for refusing to adopt their imposed narrative of a historical period in which she actively lived and participated.

tasuki 2y ago
> in which she actively lived and participated. Yes... ? She participated... on the side of the Nazis who murdered Jews? She even threatened Jews with "a new pogrom"? I'd imprison her all right!

eigenket 2y ago

Ok, there's some stuff that you seem confused about here. Firstly she wasn't sentenced for insulting him, she was sentenced for threats of violence against him, specifically she wrote something like "you won't be able to go anywhere without having your face kicked in" and leaked his personal information. Secondly she was in jail for 2 days, this was Freizeitarrest which is legally distinct from an actual prison sentence, with the aim of showing someone how unpleasant prison can be. You're not in a normal cell, don't have contact with regular prisoners, it doesn't leave a police record, doesn't have the same probation or anything. Finally he wasn't sentenced to jail because he was a minor. He did get sentenced to 60 hours of labor with the proceeds going to her. I don't know whether 60 hours of unpaid (presumably) unpleasant labor is harsher than the very short "jail" sentence she got, personally I would say so but it probably depends on the person. Personally I would agree that his sentence wasn't harsh enough, but German law doesn't really like giving minors harsh sentences. I think her punishment for the threats of violence were completely reasonable.

throw10920 2y ago
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- eigenket 2y ago
  > She was not jailed solely for the threats of violence. As far as I understand, yeah she was. I'm not an expert in the German legal system but while the defamation was also a crime my understanding is she wouldn't have been sent to jail for that. As far as the rest of your comment goes, I already said in the comment you're replying to that in my opinion the sentence he was given was significantly too light. Thats a specific weird thing about the German legal system, they are (in my opinion) very light on people who are being tried as juveniles. > You also missed the part about the fact that she got a harsher sentence for her speech than the rapist himself I literally mentioned that in the comment you're replying too and as I've now said three times, in my opinion his sentence was not harsh enough. I haven't lied anywhere on this thread.
  - throw10920 2y ago
    > my understanding is she wouldn't have been sent to jail for that. Your "understanding" directly contradicts the links I posted saying that she was jailed for her insulting/offensive remarks. > I haven't lied anywhere on this thread. > He didn't get 3 years in prison for telling people to go out and protest, he told people to “set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards”. That's a lie, right there. I was not referring to that person. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41429818 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41429818
    - eigenket 2y ago
      Copying and pasting from literally the third sentence of the link you posted > The young woman was convicted last week of sending "insulting and threatening" messages The threatening is important I didn't lie in the comment you linked, I just didn't magically guess which guy you were talking about. I apologise for that.