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i can alread see dictatorships whipping up false history photobooks, claiming that massacre was only three guys getting shot or that this genocide was started b

i can alread see dictatorships whipping up false history photobooks, claiming that massacre was only three guys getting shot or that this genocide was started by that minority doing that atrocity. HA.I.tcrimes they be real

ben_w 2y ago
Indeed; this is the counterpoint to those who want AI to be "free" and "uncensored", describing alignment and refusal as if it's Orwellian. Just like the real life tyrannies it was inspired by, 1984's Ministry of Truth had many tools to suppress undesirable information — not just the memory holes, but also editing the past, mass production of the new "truth".
- _0ffh 2y ago
  No it is exactly the point, not the counterpoint! State actors and probably big corps and rich people will have access to any kind of AI they wish, regardless! The question is only, what will the common people be able to lay their hands on?
  - ben_w 2y ago
    > The question is only, what will the common people be able to lay their hands on? The ones which were trained to be most effective at pandering to their egos and sycophantically telling them their own team is amazing and everyone else's is terrible. When does adding more noise help recover signal?
    - rdzl 2y ago
      What actually happens is a total destruction of misplaced trust in national government and corporate narratives. Their only counter-response is to pay us off to avoid use of AI to undermine them. Otherwise we will turn up the ethnonationalism as well as religious contentions and things people like you dont like will get even worse. There are dozens of fracture points to exploit bc idiot governments thought they could import labor from countries they were recently at war with.
    - _0ffh 2y ago
      You'd rather have everyone live in a world as envisioned by the (self-)anointed than leave anybody free to choose, got it!
      - ben_w 2y ago
        No, I'm saying that's a false dichotomy. Your senses get saturated by lies indistinguishable from reality regardless of where they come from. The price is already a factor of two from the income from a single impression of a paid advert, and is likely to decline further, and that's the market price for marginally influencing people. If we as a species don't agree to make sure AI must never ever be developed in this manner, and to actually enforce that, then everyone will be living in someone's fantasy world. Normal people won't have any choice, or control, regardless. Not even over which fantasy, as it gets created specifically for them.
        rdzl 2y ago
        Your dreams of AI aligment with transnational and corpocryptofacist elements are already dead. Even if you pass laws, they'll be ignored, and you'll lose to those groups who ignore these laws (which is already how the status quo you worship operates anyway). I already know what tech enables this and I'm not telling you. AI alignment fanatics = "im afraid of status quo power structures being disrupted that give me a false sense of safety/financial security". There is no such thing as "we as a species" agreeing on anything. Utopian fantasy mixed with naive megalomania. Your own fantasy world is that there will be some magical agreement to stop technological/evolutionary progress. Fortunately, AI destroys the value of marketing online. And the value of mass gathering data. So all the techbro mass data gathering/social engineering projects inevitably fail. This is of course why you want "alignment". You want to maintain the ability to mass social engineer while the "normal people" as you call them, lack this power. Same old neoliberal crap. What we will get instead is AI mediated warfare. Actually we are already there, have been there for at least 10 years, and there is nothing you can do to stop that. Other than turning off the internet.
        ben_w 2y ago
  - Log_out_ 2y ago
    The era of Anti Enlightenment , a million encyclopedias all tailored to one person, one bubble ..

ben_w 2y ago

Indeed; this is the counterpoint to those who want AI to be "free" and "uncensored", describing alignment and refusal as if it's Orwellian. Just like the real life tyrannies it was inspired by, 1984's Ministry of Truth had many tools to suppress undesirable information — not just the memory holes, but also editing the past, mass production of the new "truth".

_0ffh 2y ago
No it is exactly the point, not the counterpoint! State actors and probably big corps and rich people will have access to any kind of AI they wish, regardless! The question is only, what will the common people be able to lay their hands on?
- ben_w 2y ago
  > The question is only, what will the common people be able to lay their hands on? The ones which were trained to be most effective at pandering to their egos and sycophantically telling them their own team is amazing and everyone else's is terrible. When does adding more noise help recover signal?
  - rdzl 2y ago
    What actually happens is a total destruction of misplaced trust in national government and corporate narratives. Their only counter-response is to pay us off to avoid use of AI to undermine them. Otherwise we will turn up the ethnonationalism as well as religious contentions and things people like you dont like will get even worse. There are dozens of fracture points to exploit bc idiot governments thought they could import labor from countries they were recently at war with.
  - _0ffh 2y ago
    You'd rather have everyone live in a world as envisioned by the (self-)anointed than leave anybody free to choose, got it!
    - ben_w 2y ago
      No, I'm saying that's a false dichotomy. Your senses get saturated by lies indistinguishable from reality regardless of where they come from. The price is already a factor of two from the income from a single impression of a paid advert, and is likely to decline further, and that's the market price for marginally influencing people. If we as a species don't agree to make sure AI must never ever be developed in this manner, and to actually enforce that, then everyone will be living in someone's fantasy world. Normal people won't have any choice, or control, regardless. Not even over which fantasy, as it gets created specifically for them.
      - rdzl 2y ago
        Your dreams of AI aligment with transnational and corpocryptofacist elements are already dead. Even if you pass laws, they'll be ignored, and you'll lose to those groups who ignore these laws (which is already how the status quo you worship operates anyway). I already know what tech enables this and I'm not telling you. AI alignment fanatics = "im afraid of status quo power structures being disrupted that give me a false sense of safety/financial security". There is no such thing as "we as a species" agreeing on anything. Utopian fantasy mixed with naive megalomania. Your own fantasy world is that there will be some magical agreement to stop technological/evolutionary progress. Fortunately, AI destroys the value of marketing online. And the value of mass gathering data. So all the techbro mass data gathering/social engineering projects inevitably fail. This is of course why you want "alignment". You want to maintain the ability to mass social engineer while the "normal people" as you call them, lack this power. Same old neoliberal crap. What we will get instead is AI mediated warfare. Actually we are already there, have been there for at least 10 years, and there is nothing you can do to stop that. Other than turning off the internet.
        ben_w 2y ago
- Log_out_ 2y ago
  The era of Anti Enlightenment , a million encyclopedias all tailored to one person, one bubble ..