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There's nothing sexualised about it. The person is of an ambiguous build and facing away from the camera. The article does more sexualising than the photo itsel

by caslon 2y ago

There's nothing sexualised about it. The person is of an ambiguous build and facing away from the camera. The article does more sexualising than the photo itself does, in the typical way that British media likes to oversexualise and play scandal to sell papers.

fsckboy 2y ago
>The person is of an ambiguous build wut? ambiguous on what dimension? That's a brick shithouse right there. (how's that slang for you, ESL learners!? it's definitely not an insult, and it's unisex so, not offensive, just means "good build")
- quietbritishjim 2y ago
  > brick shithouse... just means "good build" No, it means an exceptionally muscular build, which the subject of that photo doesn't have. Anyway, the comment you're replying to clearly means "a build that leaves the gender ambiguous", not that the dimensions are ambiguous! You don't seem to really be disagreeing with that.
  - cafard 2y ago
    > it means an exceptionally muscular build In what dialect of English?
    - defrost 2y ago
      Well built usually, built better than expected, overbuilt, solid. Jeffersonian, 'Straylin, British. Here's Thomas Jefferson's Brick Shithouse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Poplar_Forest6.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Poplar_Forest6.jpg
    - quietbritishjim 2y ago
      This is south London. But also, it's just obvious from the words in the phrase. I assume that outside toilets were often just wooden shacks, so a brick one is notable for its robustness. Is that comparible with a beefy labourer's physique? Sure. Is comparible to a curvy, classically feminine body shape? That doesn't make sense. As the sibling comment to this one says, it doesn't even just apply to people (in fact I'd say it primarily doesn't).
  - zimpenfish 2y ago
    > No, it means an exceptionally muscular build Maybe in some places but north-west UK just means "kinda robust/big/thick" (e.g. could be a bouncer or wrestler) - there's no requirement for "exceptionally muscular". Akin of what kids these days use "absolute unit" for. (quibbles aside, I agree with you - GP is wrong, not even slightly a "brick shithouse" by any of the definitions)
  - fsckboy 2y ago
    the Commodores' Brick House (with Lionel Ritchie) was a smash hit song and not at all about a muscular woman https://youtu.be/KzOJaHHlIcQ?t=20 https://youtu.be/KzOJaHHlIcQ?t=20 it does not only mean exceptionally muscular (nor only mean what it means in some farflung gotham of Britain) https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/built_like_a_brick_shithouse#English https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/built_like_a_brick_shithouse#... in the picture she also is muscular, not like a body builder, but like a fit person showing definition (everybody working out or doing yoga was not "a thing" when that picture was taken)
quietbritishjim 2y ago
To me it clearly seems to be a woman, and perhaps I'm just revealing my own overly prudish nature, but to me a topless woman in just tiny bikini bottoms at a beach is somewhat sexualised. Imagine it were a photo of a good looking man wearing almost nothing and suggestive of some exposure if only you were looking from another angle. Would that have done so well? I think it's just hard for us as men to recognise the sexism because we're not used to being systematically sexualised.
- Throe83949 2y ago
  > I think it's just hard for us as men to recognise the sexism because we're not used to being systematically sexualised. Not true. Men get all sorts of comments about their height, appearance, facial hair, even genital size... We can not work at some jobs because of oversexualization. And this type of harrasement is normalised.
  - Cthulhu_ 2y ago
    And libido, that is, a stereotype that men are by default sexual predators. This is one reason why you don't see many men working at day cares and elementary schools.
- enneff 2y ago
  Yes you are a prude. There is nothing salacious about nudity especially at a beach!
  - quietbritishjim 2y ago
    If you are on the beach with them, sure. If you stick it in a PowerPoint in an office, that's a different matter. (Same as if it's a nearly-naked man for that matter.)
    - haswell 2y ago
      How and why does this make it a different matter? Photographs capture a moment in time. This moment occurred at a beach. It wasn’t sexual then, and it’s not sexual now. If someone manipulated the image to be explicit or presented it in an obviously sexual context, that might be a different story, but even then, the original image itself was never inherently sexual. I’d reframe this to point out the image is very natural, i.e. what could be more natural than experiencing nature in one’s natural state? Seeing this as something sexual is a choice, and an unnecessary one at that.
lupusreal 2y ago
> The person is of an ambiguous build Rude...

by caslon 2y ago

fsckboy 2y ago

>The person is of an ambiguous build wut? ambiguous on what dimension? That's a brick shithouse right there. (how's that slang for you, ESL learners!? it's definitely not an insult, and it's unisex so, not offensive, just means "good build")

quietbritishjim 2y ago
> brick shithouse... just means "good build" No, it means an exceptionally muscular build, which the subject of that photo doesn't have. Anyway, the comment you're replying to clearly means "a build that leaves the gender ambiguous", not that the dimensions are ambiguous! You don't seem to really be disagreeing with that.
- cafard 2y ago
  > it means an exceptionally muscular build In what dialect of English?
  - defrost 2y ago
    Well built usually, built better than expected, overbuilt, solid. Jeffersonian, 'Straylin, British. Here's Thomas Jefferson's Brick Shithouse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Poplar_Forest6.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Poplar_Forest6.jpg
  - quietbritishjim 2y ago
    This is south London. But also, it's just obvious from the words in the phrase. I assume that outside toilets were often just wooden shacks, so a brick one is notable for its robustness. Is that comparible with a beefy labourer's physique? Sure. Is comparible to a curvy, classically feminine body shape? That doesn't make sense. As the sibling comment to this one says, it doesn't even just apply to people (in fact I'd say it primarily doesn't).
- zimpenfish 2y ago
  > No, it means an exceptionally muscular build Maybe in some places but north-west UK just means "kinda robust/big/thick" (e.g. could be a bouncer or wrestler) - there's no requirement for "exceptionally muscular". Akin of what kids these days use "absolute unit" for. (quibbles aside, I agree with you - GP is wrong, not even slightly a "brick shithouse" by any of the definitions)
- fsckboy 2y ago
  the Commodores' Brick House (with Lionel Ritchie) was a smash hit song and not at all about a muscular woman https://youtu.be/KzOJaHHlIcQ?t=20 https://youtu.be/KzOJaHHlIcQ?t=20 it does not only mean exceptionally muscular (nor only mean what it means in some farflung gotham of Britain) https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/built_like_a_brick_shithouse#English https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/built_like_a_brick_shithouse#... in the picture she also is muscular, not like a body builder, but like a fit person showing definition (everybody working out or doing yoga was not "a thing" when that picture was taken)

quietbritishjim 2y ago

To me it clearly seems to be a woman, and perhaps I'm just revealing my own overly prudish nature, but to me a topless woman in just tiny bikini bottoms at a beach is somewhat sexualised. Imagine it were a photo of a good looking man wearing almost nothing and suggestive of some exposure if only you were looking from another angle. Would that have done so well? I think it's just hard for us as men to recognise the sexism because we're not used to being systematically sexualised.

Throe83949 2y ago
> I think it's just hard for us as men to recognise the sexism because we're not used to being systematically sexualised. Not true. Men get all sorts of comments about their height, appearance, facial hair, even genital size... We can not work at some jobs because of oversexualization. And this type of harrasement is normalised.
- Cthulhu_ 2y ago
  And libido, that is, a stereotype that men are by default sexual predators. This is one reason why you don't see many men working at day cares and elementary schools.
enneff 2y ago
Yes you are a prude. There is nothing salacious about nudity especially at a beach!
- quietbritishjim 2y ago
  If you are on the beach with them, sure. If you stick it in a PowerPoint in an office, that's a different matter. (Same as if it's a nearly-naked man for that matter.)
  - haswell 2y ago
    How and why does this make it a different matter? Photographs capture a moment in time. This moment occurred at a beach. It wasn’t sexual then, and it’s not sexual now. If someone manipulated the image to be explicit or presented it in an obviously sexual context, that might be a different story, but even then, the original image itself was never inherently sexual. I’d reframe this to point out the image is very natural, i.e. what could be more natural than experiencing nature in one’s natural state? Seeing this as something sexual is a choice, and an unnecessary one at that.

lupusreal 2y ago

> The person is of an ambiguous build Rude...