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Literally no one wants this “feature”. Microsoft has lost their collective minds.
by ChicagoDave 2y ago
Literally no one wants this “feature”.
Microsoft has lost their collective minds.
- garagemc2 2y agoNo. But people do want large action models and for that you need a training dataset, which is what Recall will provide.
- namrog84 2y agoExactly. People don't want certain things but also want an ai to do other certain things and don't realize the path to 1 is thru the other.
- NavinF 2y agoThat model would have to be trained locally since the data never leaves the device
- dartharva 2y agoSo they say..
- NavinF 2y agoThis is some serious tinfoil hattery. The data is not small. If it was being uploaded, you'd notice.
- skeaker 2y agoThey have it in their absolute authority to push out a patch at any time that will make the data be uploaded, even if it isn't right now.
- ed_mercer 2y agoIf screenshots were OCRed and then only text was uploaded, I doubt you would notice anything.
- phito 2y agoPssst... You can extract metadata from data and then train on those "anonymized" metadata ;)
- hnben 2y ago> This is some serious tinfoil hattery. microsoft regularly makes promises about privacy and telemetry, and regularly breaks them. They have been multiple law suites about this. In germany we say "Wo ein Trog ist, sammeln sich die Schweine", especially in the discussion around recall.
- NavinF 2y agoHave they lost any of those lawsuits?
- CatWChainsaw 2y agoSo it only counts as going back on their word if they lose a lawsuit about it?
- NavinF 2y agoSure, or if there's any evidence that these aren't just BS allegations. The signal to noise ratio in this space is 0
- CatWChainsaw 2y agoSo just as an example, Facebook's login page has "it's free and always will be" prominently displayed. Your logic is that if Facebook switches to a purely subscription model and avoids getting nailed in court for lying specifically (either through legal gymnastics or by settlement), then they didn't actually lie? And if Recall is "supposed" to be analyzed on-device but all your personal information somehow makes it to MS servers, they haven't lied to you unless someone successfully sues them in court?
- croes 2y agoRemenber this Key & Peele sketch? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0lUbqDrFWU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0lUbqDrFWU NSFW Will be a lot easier with Recall
- NavinF 2y agoI do. In fact I already record my screen and steam it to my NAS for automatic time tracking and OCR search. It'd be nice to have a less a less janky solution. I'm kinda surprised people just throw away their history. I love being able to restore deleted posts as long as I remember a few words of the content
- houseplant 2y agoin all kindness, you're such an incredibly niche example of actual usage of this, that only proves it should've been opt-in instead of opt-out. I don't need to know what my tabs were 3 months ago. I don't need to treasure my precious history of browsing amazon for vacuum cleaners.
- SebastianKra 2y agoIt is ~opt-out~. EDIT: I meant opt-in.
- phito 2y agoSurely all the computer illiterate people will disable it and not get spied on then, right, right??
- hnpolicestate 2y agoThere are two types of computer users in this world. 1 billion tabs forever and BleachBit obsessives. I get anxiety if I don't restart my devices daily.
- zamadatix 2y agoI'll agree they are an incredibly niche example of actually using this... but only because ways to do this right now are incredibly niche. The rest remains to be seen. If there hadn't been decades of normality of browsers storing history then people, particularly those in tech circles, would absolutely flip their shit if it were announced as part of Edge. There would be mass revolts on these forums if it would sync with the cloud. It makes measuring how popular a concept would be difficult as what is niche today and what is wildly unpopular with tech folks today may or may not have any relation whatsoever to what will be popular with users in the long term.
- FeepingCreature 2y agoI think it's a very cool idea. I wish Linux had this. To be fair I also presently have several hundred tabs open and never delete anything.
- rozab 2y agoTo be fair neither Windows nor AI need to have anything to do with it, there's someone in the thread who streams their monitor to a NAS and runs it through OCR
- Dalewyn 2y ago>Literally no one I can see most people, and by that I mean the rest of the world outside Techiestan and Hacker News, will want or perhaps even need this feature. Having the computer literally show you what you were doing is super duper handy for Joe Average who doesn't computer and certainly doesn't care about learning to computer.
- zarzavat 2y agoEven Joe Average will appreciate how fucking creepy this feature is when they surface private information that they never told the computer to store.
- thefz 2y agoWe can discuss how this has been implemented all day (and probably agree), but decades in IT have taught me that people use computers differently, especially now that the level of literacy needed to operate one is almost zero. I am good with terminal, browser, NP++ and few other programs, while some people don't even know the existence of a file system hierarchy, or want to touch things to interact with them instead of typing.
- BizarroLand 2y agoMr. Thefz, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
- thefz 2y agoYet you fail to argument your point.
- BizarroLand 2y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft5KtV2o0bw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft5KtV2o0bw