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>people staying on Win10 and below everything below 10 has been EOL for a good while now, and 10 only has a year left

userbinator 2y ago
No one really cares about that "EOL" crap unless they've been brainwashed by the FUD. A lot of very important software[1] still works on Vista or 7, and a large portion of that even on XP and below. Also don't forget that Win10 IoT LTSC is officially supported until 2032. [1] Not things like the latest games, but LOB applications and related software that companies rely on for their work.
- lupusreal 2y ago
  The reality is Windows users have a looong history of drawing lines in the sand and saying they will go no further... then meekly going further anyway. Somebody who's done this half a dozen times already to wind up on Windows 10 will almost certainly do it again.
- daveguy 2y ago
  It's not FUD when they stop issuing security patches. I am switching to Linux.
- StableAlkyne 2y ago
  No longer receiving security updates on an OS who receives most malware and has a history of vulnerabilities isn't FUD
  - userbinator 2y ago
    Exactly the sort of brainwashing I was referring to. Security depends entirely on your threat model. Look up the CVE stats by OS and you'll see the truth.
    - StableAlkyne 2y ago
      > Look up the CVE stats by OS 2024: https://www.cvedetails.com/top-50-products.php?year=2024 https://www.cvedetails.com/top-50-products.php?year=2024 9 of 10 are Windows branded operating systems. 3,276 across all of these platforms. Of these, over 1,000 are different versions of Windows 10. Compared to 1799 on the Linux kernel, which is actively developed and will be actively developed for the foreseeable future. Are you arguing that Windows doesn't continuously get CVE entries? That is not supported by the data. It is not logical to arrive at the conclusion that after the manufacturer states they will no longer address vulnerabilities, which are actively being found as if this year, that this is FUD.
      - userbinator 2y ago
        I'm saying that the newer the version, the more CVEs it has. Of these, over 1,000 are different versions of Windows 10 Precisely. Windows 11 will be worse. Of course this doesn't exclude bogus/trivial ones, since CVE-chasing is a thing now, but how many were found in older versions? ...and no surprise that I'm being downvoted by the corporate-authoritarian shills for speaking against the narrative. Yet it should be clear that the newer the code is, the buggier it is --- especially with the sort of competence that passes for developers these days. MS is adding more and more attack surface every day. "Truth doesn't mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged" ;-)
        Mr_Minderbinder 2y ago
        >Of course this doesn't exclude bogus/trivial ones, since CVE-chasing is a thing now, but how many were found in older versions? Glad I am not the only one who has observed this. That Python int to str conversion “denial of service” CVE from a few years back was a complete joke.
        StableAlkyne 2y ago
        > Precisely. Windows 11 will be worse. The difference is Win11 continues to address these vulnerabilities. Or you switch to a Nix or air gap the machine. The incorrect approach is to continue using Win10 in production as if nothing is going to happen. I suspect we have gotten sidetracked into arguing different things at each other for this reason
- hnpolicestate 2y ago
  Gamers will care though. I know that demo seems irrelevant but I would assume a non-insignificant % of Windows users use the OS just to game. I hope some developers can recognize the concerns many of us have with Win 11 and continue developing for 10 past EOL.
  - sunaookami 2y ago
    Windows 11 recently surpassed 50% on Steam, so yeah.

No one really cares about that "EOL" crap unless they've been brainwashed by the FUD. A lot of very important software[1] still works on Vista or 7, and a large portion of that even on XP and below. Also don't forget that Win10 IoT LTSC is officially supported until 2032. [1] Not things like the latest games, but LOB applications and related software that companies rely on for their work.

lupusreal 2y ago
The reality is Windows users have a looong history of drawing lines in the sand and saying they will go no further... then meekly going further anyway. Somebody who's done this half a dozen times already to wind up on Windows 10 will almost certainly do it again.
daveguy 2y ago
It's not FUD when they stop issuing security patches. I am switching to Linux.
StableAlkyne 2y ago
No longer receiving security updates on an OS who receives most malware and has a history of vulnerabilities isn't FUD
- userbinator 2y ago
  Exactly the sort of brainwashing I was referring to. Security depends entirely on your threat model. Look up the CVE stats by OS and you'll see the truth.
  - StableAlkyne 2y ago
    > Look up the CVE stats by OS 2024: https://www.cvedetails.com/top-50-products.php?year=2024 https://www.cvedetails.com/top-50-products.php?year=2024 9 of 10 are Windows branded operating systems. 3,276 across all of these platforms. Of these, over 1,000 are different versions of Windows 10. Compared to 1799 on the Linux kernel, which is actively developed and will be actively developed for the foreseeable future. Are you arguing that Windows doesn't continuously get CVE entries? That is not supported by the data. It is not logical to arrive at the conclusion that after the manufacturer states they will no longer address vulnerabilities, which are actively being found as if this year, that this is FUD.
    - userbinator 2y ago
      I'm saying that the newer the version, the more CVEs it has. Of these, over 1,000 are different versions of Windows 10 Precisely. Windows 11 will be worse. Of course this doesn't exclude bogus/trivial ones, since CVE-chasing is a thing now, but how many were found in older versions? ...and no surprise that I'm being downvoted by the corporate-authoritarian shills for speaking against the narrative. Yet it should be clear that the newer the code is, the buggier it is --- especially with the sort of competence that passes for developers these days. MS is adding more and more attack surface every day. "Truth doesn't mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged" ;-)
      - Mr_Minderbinder 2y ago
        >Of course this doesn't exclude bogus/trivial ones, since CVE-chasing is a thing now, but how many were found in older versions? Glad I am not the only one who has observed this. That Python int to str conversion “denial of service” CVE from a few years back was a complete joke.
      - StableAlkyne 2y ago
        > Precisely. Windows 11 will be worse. The difference is Win11 continues to address these vulnerabilities. Or you switch to a Nix or air gap the machine. The incorrect approach is to continue using Win10 in production as if nothing is going to happen. I suspect we have gotten sidetracked into arguing different things at each other for this reason
hnpolicestate 2y ago
Gamers will care though. I know that demo seems irrelevant but I would assume a non-insignificant % of Windows users use the OS just to game. I hope some developers can recognize the concerns many of us have with Win 11 and continue developing for 10 past EOL.
- sunaookami 2y ago
  Windows 11 recently surpassed 50% on Steam, so yeah.