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I suspect this will lead to an increase in the number of people staying on Win10 and below. Naturally, MS will also continue spreading their usual FUD in their

I suspect this will lead to an increase in the number of people staying on Win10 and below. Naturally, MS will also continue spreading their usual FUD in their attempts at persuading the userbase to "bend over and take it". This will also lead to an increased demand for custom "distros" and modding tools and such, which has always been a bit of an "underground" community but has occasional resurgences. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40130230 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40130230 As the old saying goes: "challenge accepted." ;-)

x3n0ph3n3 2y ago
I can't imagine IT departments are going to put up with this, either.
- wingmanjd 2y ago
  Nope, not enjoying this at all. We're already looking at full OS alternatives for our workloads.
  - slowmovintarget 2y ago
    Linux + Bottles / Lutris. I wouldn't go to Win 11, and Linux actually is good enough now.
    - dylan604 2y ago
      > Linux actually is good enough now. You say this like there is one Linux that people can use. Instead, it is fragmented to hell and back with various distros. Since it's a replacement for Windows, a GUI will be needed. There's more than one of those as well. So now, some one needs to go down that rabbit hole of trying to decide which distro/GUI will work for them. So a generic "use Linux" is not very helpful.
      - lupusreal 2y ago
        Decision paralysis is just a lame excuse people use to mask their real reason for not doing something. If you don't know enough about the choices to know which one you prefer, then either you simply chose any of them and subsequently have a more informed preference next time, or you chose none of them because you don't actually want the thing in the first place. I want ice cream and approach a vendor in the park. He has brands and flavors I've never tried before so I throw up my hands and say there is too much choice, he needs to pick one single kind of ice cream before he gets my business. Somebody who behaves like this doesn't actually want ice cream in the first place but is pretending to for some reason.
        zamadatix 2y ago
        I think the fragmentation problem extends well beyond "golly, which does my little head ever pick - they're all so perfectly usable I just don't know how to pick one!" and more to "well this one has Q, G, and Y... but that one has M, G, and Y but I can get Q if I tweak... and this one has M, G, Y, A, Q, Z but switching to that means I have to take its unrelated opinions on B, O, J, and N which I don't like" kind of scenario. There are plenty of flavors which can be acceptable but the premise is finding a flavor you want to use more. Without extreme ideological grounds on the level "Microsoft did ${thing} so I'm never touching them again" that becomes difficult to weigh. I generally get away with a lot of use cases at work just saying "It's the front facing LTS of Ubuntu" and a lot of use cases at home just saying "Since it's just for me I'll customize Arch to what I need" but there are still plenty of scenarios, in each, just going with Windows makes a lot more sense (or sometimes is the only viable option, e.g. home HDR or work vendor application support).
      - BigJono 2y ago
        I installed Pop OS with about 10 minutes research as soon as this Recall bullshit was announced, and everything I've tried so far works fine. Having more options isn't a bad thing unless you let yourself suffer choice paralysis. You can just not do that.
        slowmovintarget 2y ago
- bongodongobob 2y ago
  I'm sure there will be GPOs and registry keys to disable it. We're actually not worried about it at all, at least no one I know is. Corporate Windows deployments are not the same as Windows Home. We manage it very differently.
  - x3n0ph3n3 2y ago
    So it's ok to have Skyward installed as long as it is disabled?
    - zamadatix 2y ago
      I don't think any enterprise is going to be shocked Windows has a few extra bytes of cruft than they need in the base install. Ultimately it actually being disabled is a matter of general trust in the data controls - for which Microsoft is a lot better favored on the enterprise side than the consumer side.
slowmovintarget 2y ago
I went looking for this because I knew I had just come across something like it. Repo is here: https://github.com/ntdevlabs/tiny11builder https://github.com/ntdevlabs/tiny11builder
phreack 2y ago
Yeah, Win10 will be my last Windows once the curtain starts to fall. Win11 has only got more invasive since release.
- weq 2y ago
  Win7 4 lyfe. dozens of less RCE opportunities by the day.
  - userbinator 2y ago
    Exactly. Known unknowns vs. unknown unknowns.
fsckboy 2y ago
>people staying on Win10 and below everything below 10 has been EOL for a good while now, and 10 only has a year left
- userbinator 2y ago
  No one really cares about that "EOL" crap unless they've been brainwashed by the FUD. A lot of very important software[1] still works on Vista or 7, and a large portion of that even on XP and below. Also don't forget that Win10 IoT LTSC is officially supported until 2032. [1] Not things like the latest games, but LOB applications and related software that companies rely on for their work.
  - lupusreal 2y ago
    The reality is Windows users have a looong history of drawing lines in the sand and saying they will go no further... then meekly going further anyway. Somebody who's done this half a dozen times already to wind up on Windows 10 will almost certainly do it again.
  - daveguy 2y ago
    It's not FUD when they stop issuing security patches. I am switching to Linux.
  - StableAlkyne 2y ago
    No longer receiving security updates on an OS who receives most malware and has a history of vulnerabilities isn't FUD
    - userbinator 2y ago
      Exactly the sort of brainwashing I was referring to. Security depends entirely on your threat model. Look up the CVE stats by OS and you'll see the truth.
      - StableAlkyne 2y ago

x3n0ph3n3 2y ago

I can't imagine IT departments are going to put up with this, either.

wingmanjd 2y ago
Nope, not enjoying this at all. We're already looking at full OS alternatives for our workloads.
- slowmovintarget 2y ago
  Linux + Bottles / Lutris. I wouldn't go to Win 11, and Linux actually is good enough now.
  - dylan604 2y ago
    > Linux actually is good enough now. You say this like there is one Linux that people can use. Instead, it is fragmented to hell and back with various distros. Since it's a replacement for Windows, a GUI will be needed. There's more than one of those as well. So now, some one needs to go down that rabbit hole of trying to decide which distro/GUI will work for them. So a generic "use Linux" is not very helpful.
    - lupusreal 2y ago
      Decision paralysis is just a lame excuse people use to mask their real reason for not doing something. If you don't know enough about the choices to know which one you prefer, then either you simply chose any of them and subsequently have a more informed preference next time, or you chose none of them because you don't actually want the thing in the first place. I want ice cream and approach a vendor in the park. He has brands and flavors I've never tried before so I throw up my hands and say there is too much choice, he needs to pick one single kind of ice cream before he gets my business. Somebody who behaves like this doesn't actually want ice cream in the first place but is pretending to for some reason.
      - zamadatix 2y ago
        I think the fragmentation problem extends well beyond "golly, which does my little head ever pick - they're all so perfectly usable I just don't know how to pick one!" and more to "well this one has Q, G, and Y... but that one has M, G, and Y but I can get Q if I tweak... and this one has M, G, Y, A, Q, Z but switching to that means I have to take its unrelated opinions on B, O, J, and N which I don't like" kind of scenario. There are plenty of flavors which can be acceptable but the premise is finding a flavor you want to use more. Without extreme ideological grounds on the level "Microsoft did ${thing} so I'm never touching them again" that becomes difficult to weigh. I generally get away with a lot of use cases at work just saying "It's the front facing LTS of Ubuntu" and a lot of use cases at home just saying "Since it's just for me I'll customize Arch to what I need" but there are still plenty of scenarios, in each, just going with Windows makes a lot more sense (or sometimes is the only viable option, e.g. home HDR or work vendor application support).
    - BigJono 2y ago
      I installed Pop OS with about 10 minutes research as soon as this Recall bullshit was announced, and everything I've tried so far works fine. Having more options isn't a bad thing unless you let yourself suffer choice paralysis. You can just not do that.
      - slowmovintarget 2y ago
bongodongobob 2y ago
I'm sure there will be GPOs and registry keys to disable it. We're actually not worried about it at all, at least no one I know is. Corporate Windows deployments are not the same as Windows Home. We manage it very differently.
- x3n0ph3n3 2y ago
  So it's ok to have Skyward installed as long as it is disabled?
  - zamadatix 2y ago
    I don't think any enterprise is going to be shocked Windows has a few extra bytes of cruft than they need in the base install. Ultimately it actually being disabled is a matter of general trust in the data controls - for which Microsoft is a lot better favored on the enterprise side than the consumer side.

slowmovintarget 2y ago

I went looking for this because I knew I had just come across something like it. Repo is here: https://github.com/ntdevlabs/tiny11builder https://github.com/ntdevlabs/tiny11builder

phreack 2y ago

Yeah, Win10 will be my last Windows once the curtain starts to fall. Win11 has only got more invasive since release.

weq 2y ago
Win7 4 lyfe. dozens of less RCE opportunities by the day.
- userbinator 2y ago
  Exactly. Known unknowns vs. unknown unknowns.

fsckboy 2y ago

>people staying on Win10 and below everything below 10 has been EOL for a good while now, and 10 only has a year left

userbinator 2y ago
No one really cares about that "EOL" crap unless they've been brainwashed by the FUD. A lot of very important software[1] still works on Vista or 7, and a large portion of that even on XP and below. Also don't forget that Win10 IoT LTSC is officially supported until 2032. [1] Not things like the latest games, but LOB applications and related software that companies rely on for their work.
- lupusreal 2y ago
  The reality is Windows users have a looong history of drawing lines in the sand and saying they will go no further... then meekly going further anyway. Somebody who's done this half a dozen times already to wind up on Windows 10 will almost certainly do it again.
- daveguy 2y ago
  It's not FUD when they stop issuing security patches. I am switching to Linux.
- StableAlkyne 2y ago
  No longer receiving security updates on an OS who receives most malware and has a history of vulnerabilities isn't FUD
  - userbinator 2y ago
    Exactly the sort of brainwashing I was referring to. Security depends entirely on your threat model. Look up the CVE stats by OS and you'll see the truth.
    - StableAlkyne 2y ago