Or Workman, which has advantages over both: https://workmanlayout.org/ https://workmanlayout.org/ I like Workman. With that and a keyboard that has many thumb

Or Workman, which has advantages over both: https://workmanlayout.org/ https://workmanlayout.org/ I like Workman. With that and a keyboard that has many thumb buttons (Moonlander and Ergodox clone) my wrists are much happier. I wouldn't recommend Dvorak - it was designed a very long time ago without computers in mind or the in-depth efficiency calculations we can do today.