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Note that Elon Musk's definition of free speech includes anything that is not outright illegal, including fake news, see links below. I find it disturbing. The

Note that Elon Musk's definition of free speech includes anything that is not outright illegal, including fake news, see links below. I find it disturbing. The world will be better off without X. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/27/us/politics/elon-musk-kamala-harris-deepfake.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/27/us/politics/elon-musk-kam... https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-grok-ai-fake-election-photos-misinformation-x-twitter-2024-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-grok-ai-fake-elect...

ein0p 2y ago
Mainstream media outlets often publish fake news or don’t publish legitimate news that do not support their agenda. I don’t see anyone hyperventilating about that. Would we be better off without them, too? I happen to think that we would.
ceejayoz 2y ago
> Note that Elon Musk's definition of free speech includes anything that is not outright illegal... Unless it's @ElonJet tweeting. Or journalists tweeting about @ElonJet.
- atwrk 2y ago
  Or you mention gender using "cis": https://imgur.com/gallery/state-of-xitter-2024-kYonTt4 https://imgur.com/gallery/state-of-xitter-2024-kYonTt4 Making this a about about free speech is astounding in multiple ways. First, are people not aware that Brazil is a different sovereign nation, where the US idea of free speech may not apply? And a country with a military dictatorship not many years ago, with laws specifically in place to prevent another coup, which Twitter chose to ignore here?
  - rsrsrs86 2y ago
    The us idea of free speech doesn’t apply even in the us.
  - breadwinner 2y ago
    Germany prohibits certain types of speech, including Holocaust denial and hate speech, which are considered threats to public order and democratic values. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/jul/10/twitter-faces-legal-challenge-after-failing-to-remove-reported-hate-tweets https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/jul/10/twitter-f... "Twitter has become a space where antisemitism and Holocaust denial is just growing and growing." I hope Germany is the next to ban.
mensetmanusman 2y ago
Someone’s satire is another’s fake news.
lawn 2y ago
> Elon Musk's definition of free speech His definition is of free speech is that he can say whatever he likes and ban whoever he wants.
gruez 2y ago
>Elon Musk's definition of free speech includes anything that is not outright illegal, including fake news, see links below. I find it disturbing. I find your proposal of banning speech that is "fake news" equally disturbing. Trump was very happy to slap the "fake news" label when he was in power. What he also had the ability to shut down speech on the same basis?
- tmottabr 2y ago
  The president in Brazil does not have the power to take down content just because he want.. This was the justice system that ruled that some content should be blocked, and this decision can be appealed bu the person that was blocked.. The problem here is that twitter, that was not a party in the case, decided they wanted to appeal, something they cannot do in Brazil legal system..
matheusmoreira 2y ago
Fake news according to whom? You? The government? Brazilian government would get mercilessly fact checked on X pretty much every single time they posted anything. It was actually pretty funny. These people lie through their teeth about anything and everything. It comes naturally to them. I have videos of our current president admitting he makes up numbers on the spot when speaking in public. Yeah, these people just make stuff up, admit it and people still believe them. They say something stupid like "100 million brazilians are dying of hunger" and people eat it up. Would you have us trust these clowns to tell fake from fact?

ein0p 2y ago

Mainstream media outlets often publish fake news or don’t publish legitimate news that do not support their agenda. I don’t see anyone hyperventilating about that. Would we be better off without them, too? I happen to think that we would.

ceejayoz 2y ago

> Note that Elon Musk's definition of free speech includes anything that is not outright illegal... Unless it's @ElonJet tweeting. Or journalists tweeting about @ElonJet.

atwrk 2y ago
Or you mention gender using "cis": https://imgur.com/gallery/state-of-xitter-2024-kYonTt4 https://imgur.com/gallery/state-of-xitter-2024-kYonTt4 Making this a about about free speech is astounding in multiple ways. First, are people not aware that Brazil is a different sovereign nation, where the US idea of free speech may not apply? And a country with a military dictatorship not many years ago, with laws specifically in place to prevent another coup, which Twitter chose to ignore here?
- rsrsrs86 2y ago
  The us idea of free speech doesn’t apply even in the us.
- breadwinner 2y ago
  Germany prohibits certain types of speech, including Holocaust denial and hate speech, which are considered threats to public order and democratic values. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/jul/10/twitter-faces-legal-challenge-after-failing-to-remove-reported-hate-tweets https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/jul/10/twitter-f... "Twitter has become a space where antisemitism and Holocaust denial is just growing and growing." I hope Germany is the next to ban.

mensetmanusman 2y ago

Someone’s satire is another’s fake news.

lawn 2y ago

> Elon Musk's definition of free speech His definition is of free speech is that he can say whatever he likes and ban whoever he wants.

gruez 2y ago

>Elon Musk's definition of free speech includes anything that is not outright illegal, including fake news, see links below. I find it disturbing. I find your proposal of banning speech that is "fake news" equally disturbing. Trump was very happy to slap the "fake news" label when he was in power. What he also had the ability to shut down speech on the same basis?

tmottabr 2y ago
The president in Brazil does not have the power to take down content just because he want.. This was the justice system that ruled that some content should be blocked, and this decision can be appealed bu the person that was blocked.. The problem here is that twitter, that was not a party in the case, decided they wanted to appeal, something they cannot do in Brazil legal system..

matheusmoreira 2y ago

Fake news according to whom? You? The government? Brazilian government would get mercilessly fact checked on X pretty much every single time they posted anything. It was actually pretty funny. These people lie through their teeth about anything and everything. It comes naturally to them. I have videos of our current president admitting he makes up numbers on the spot when speaking in public. Yeah, these people just make stuff up, admit it and people still believe them. They say something stupid like "100 million brazilians are dying of hunger" and people eat it up. Would you have us trust these clowns to tell fake from fact?