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Didn't seem to stop Twitter in India and Turkey.

anon291 2y ago
Why not just be glad they're taking a stand now? I'm so confused. Edit: also looking at the history here... They fought those bans too. I'm guessing, due to Indias importance to the IT industry, twitter was unable to pull out entirely, leaving their employees vulnerable if they didn't comply. Not sure about turkey, but it looks like in this case, they are able to avoid censorship by pulling out entirely. Brazil is an inconsequential country.
- marcinzm 2y ago
  They're not taking a stand. Turkey and India have right wing authoritarian governments that Musk is literal friends with. Brazil does not. I don't want un-elected social media billionaires making political decisions for me.
  - anon291 2y ago
    Twitter isn't a government and doesn't make political decisions. The more pressing issue is governments censoring opposition
    - marcinzm 2y ago
      > doesn't make political decisions. Twitter is made of people and owned by people who use it to make political decisions. That was the case before Musk and is still the case after Musk.
- BadHumans 2y ago
  If you are only willing to stand on your principles when it is inconsequential then that is just virtue signaling.
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  > Edit: also looking at the history here... They fought those bans too. Pre-Musk. July 2022: https://techcrunch.com/2022/07/05/twitter-sues-india-government/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/07/05/twitter-sues-india-governm... October 2022: Musk buys Twitter.
- xenospn 2y ago
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- timeon 2y ago
  Somehow free speech applies only when hate speech needs to be protected.
brightball 2y ago
The issue in Brazil, based on what I read, was that Twitter’s lawyers in Brazil and Elon believed that the requests being made violate Brazil’s constitution. In Turkey and India, there was no such concern.
- marcinzm 2y ago
  That's for the nations courts to decide and not Elon. It's just an excuse to support authoritarian governments that have no checks and balances in their constitutions at all.
- atwrk 2y ago
  That is not an argument in a nation of law. If twitter thinks this is unconstitutional in Brazil, then they can by all means sue! Courts are the institutions that rule whether that is true or not, not some billionaire with a bad day.
  - red-iron-pine 2y ago
    and they did sue. it went to court, and then the Brazilian supreme court -- and they lost.
- deleted 2y ago
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Why not just be glad they're taking a stand now? I'm so confused. Edit: also looking at the history here... They fought those bans too. I'm guessing, due to Indias importance to the IT industry, twitter was unable to pull out entirely, leaving their employees vulnerable if they didn't comply. Not sure about turkey, but it looks like in this case, they are able to avoid censorship by pulling out entirely. Brazil is an inconsequential country.

marcinzm 2y ago
They're not taking a stand. Turkey and India have right wing authoritarian governments that Musk is literal friends with. Brazil does not. I don't want un-elected social media billionaires making political decisions for me.
- anon291 2y ago
  Twitter isn't a government and doesn't make political decisions. The more pressing issue is governments censoring opposition
  - marcinzm 2y ago
    > doesn't make political decisions. Twitter is made of people and owned by people who use it to make political decisions. That was the case before Musk and is still the case after Musk.
BadHumans 2y ago
If you are only willing to stand on your principles when it is inconsequential then that is just virtue signaling.
ceejayoz 2y ago
> Edit: also looking at the history here... They fought those bans too. Pre-Musk. July 2022: https://techcrunch.com/2022/07/05/twitter-sues-india-government/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/07/05/twitter-sues-india-governm... October 2022: Musk buys Twitter.
xenospn 2y ago
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timeon 2y ago
Somehow free speech applies only when hate speech needs to be protected.

brightball 2y ago

The issue in Brazil, based on what I read, was that Twitter’s lawyers in Brazil and Elon believed that the requests being made violate Brazil’s constitution. In Turkey and India, there was no such concern.

marcinzm 2y ago
That's for the nations courts to decide and not Elon. It's just an excuse to support authoritarian governments that have no checks and balances in their constitutions at all.
atwrk 2y ago
That is not an argument in a nation of law. If twitter thinks this is unconstitutional in Brazil, then they can by all means sue! Courts are the institutions that rule whether that is true or not, not some billionaire with a bad day.
- red-iron-pine 2y ago
  and they did sue. it went to court, and then the Brazilian supreme court -- and they lost.
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