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When I was a kid, roughly as long ago as the "before" in this study (late 90s), my dad would say the same thing to warn me against the dangers of "modern" (at t

When I was a kid, roughly as long ago as the "before" in this study (late 90s), my dad would say the same thing to warn me against the dangers of "modern" (at the time) marijuana being so much stronger than what he smoked when he was younger. Today, it's legal where I live, and I partake a few times a week, with the worst negative side effects being the munchies. More potent weed just means I need to refill my vape less often, not that I'm getting obliterated by a static level of consumption.

everforward 2y ago
This is more of an issue with combusting flower, where putting it out wastes some product and then you have to smoke a stale-smoke-tasting joint later. I don’t see it as like a public health issue, just an annoyance for those of us that miss a smoke session instead of taking 3 hits. A semi-related annoyance is that I can’t find pre rolled joints anymore, only cones. The weed is already strong as hell, why are the only pre rolls 1g+?! That’s like 300mg of THC, before losses.
- righthand 2y ago
  I find plenty of places across the US with 1/2 g joints which I think is still too much. People at parties still roll tiny joints which seems to be just the right amount. As for a putting out a joint, I just scrape off the cherry. Not sure what the issue is there. Preroll joints will always be a ripoff, they’re designed to look flashy, not for function. That’s why you can’t smoke the first half of it really. Efficiency of high is an economics problem, not really an individual problem. No one ever says this Bacardi 151 has too much alcohol, for good reasons. Still the stress is there. However over the decades of cherishing what little stash I had vs now where it’s always plentiful, I have surmised the ultimate anxiety suppression statement: Don’t panic there’s always more weed later.
  - rblatz 2y ago
    You mentioned Bacardi 151, which is where my head went. It sounds like the weed industry is like if the alcohol industry only made versions of 151, and then people are out here saying hey wish I could have a few light beers with my friends. Yeah you could alll just do a single shot and get the same amount of alcohol as a couple light beers but it’s not the same.
    - righthand 2y ago
      Right, you also don’t have to drink a full shot of 151, much like you don’t have to load a whole bowl. You do it because that was the traditional customs. Now you can indulge with just a hit or two. No need to sit and brood. If you really wanted to control it, you’d do it yourself. I think the industry is definitely to blame, but it’s pretty damn opaque what the serving size is based off a thc percentage. Maybe alcohol-style proofs could help, but the important thing is education without capital incentive. Also I sip my shots while people drink a beer and it works out pretty well.
- danenania 2y ago
  I've long thought there could be a niche market opportunity for a brand focusing exclusively on moderate use. The economic incentives unfortunately seem to favor a heavy bias toward serving "whales" who have very high tolerance and spend a fortune compared to occasional users.
  - orionsbelt 2y ago
    that’s what this brand is doing: https://dadgrass.com/ https://dadgrass.com/
    - altairprime 2y ago
      Nope, these are 0% THC — which is still a fine market to target! And I’m glad they exist. But that’s no substitute for 5-10% THC.
  - gtvwill 2y ago
    I've always dreamed of getting pouches of sweet leaf/top leaf that's been cured the same way as tobacco. Sometimes I just want a light grilling and a session not as another user put it "3 Puffs and I'm out".
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jajko 2y ago
It seems a trivial issue to tackle at stores - folks should by law give some brief explanation to unexperienced people, and steer them to either less potent strains, or ways to manage small doses easily, for which joints are the worst of the bunch. Where I live stuff is still illegal in any form including recently banned variants like HHC or THC-P, just like rest of Europe more or less (its improving glacially but it will take at least 2 decades for it to look like where US is now, some places much more if ever). By far the best product I've experienced were vapes from US - you can dose yourself with laser precision if you know what you are doing. Vapes are great because they minimize the health impact, don't bother anybody around with obnoxious smoke and smell, compared to edibles they are +-instant and trip ain't endless neither (unless you make it so), you can microdose with 1 small puff if you want. It could be 100% THC and I still won't get more into me than I want. For inexperienced though, stuff can get scary very easily. I recall maybe 10 years ago in Amsterdam I bought 1g of strongest bud they had in that coffee shop, maybe 16% stuff, I asked bartender to roll me one since I had 0 experience nor equipment and I was the only one there, and even with small bit he put in... I had to stop in the middle or I would fall of the bar stool I was sitting on. Suffice to say I am not a beginner in any meaning, but it shocked me how huge the jump in potency it was compared to regular half priced stuff in other coffee shops. I had a girlfriend who got panic mode on something mildly stronger, but she was super sensitive. 2 hits from that and she would end up in ambulance, no doubt. Still, stuff should be fully legal period. Just education should be better, its not so obvious as ie alcohol potency.
- Yizahi 2y ago
  Stuff should be legal, but advertisement of all drugs (inc. alcohol, nicotine) should be completely banned, everywhere.
thefz 2y ago
Some people on the other hand enjoy rolling a joint with not so potent content,so that they can modulate - one or two puffs now, another two as the movie starts, maybe some later. To surf the high and not be shot out of existence for two hours. For this, hash is great.
- xtiansimon 2y ago
  You can’t buy hash in the legal markets, right? What’s the substitute?
  - SauciestGNU 2y ago
    My legal market has all kinds of hash. Some is more traditional like bubble hash, others is modern like live rosin etc.
EasyMark 2y ago
A lot of people smoke it straight so they don’t really have the option of “vaping this precise amount”. Also the edibles are probably up 5x as powerful as when I was in college just a while ago before legalization became a nationwide thing. We really do have “our best men” on advancing weed potency these days. It’s not Moonflower and Ditchweed growing a plot in upstate Oregon any longer
dzhiurgis 2y ago
I'm not a weedologist, but when there's such insane THC amounts nowadays (without CBD) it's much easier to overdo it. Best to stick with good indica.

everforward 2y ago

This is more of an issue with combusting flower, where putting it out wastes some product and then you have to smoke a stale-smoke-tasting joint later. I don’t see it as like a public health issue, just an annoyance for those of us that miss a smoke session instead of taking 3 hits. A semi-related annoyance is that I can’t find pre rolled joints anymore, only cones. The weed is already strong as hell, why are the only pre rolls 1g+?! That’s like 300mg of THC, before losses.

righthand 2y ago
I find plenty of places across the US with 1/2 g joints which I think is still too much. People at parties still roll tiny joints which seems to be just the right amount. As for a putting out a joint, I just scrape off the cherry. Not sure what the issue is there. Preroll joints will always be a ripoff, they’re designed to look flashy, not for function. That’s why you can’t smoke the first half of it really. Efficiency of high is an economics problem, not really an individual problem. No one ever says this Bacardi 151 has too much alcohol, for good reasons. Still the stress is there. However over the decades of cherishing what little stash I had vs now where it’s always plentiful, I have surmised the ultimate anxiety suppression statement: Don’t panic there’s always more weed later.
- rblatz 2y ago
  You mentioned Bacardi 151, which is where my head went. It sounds like the weed industry is like if the alcohol industry only made versions of 151, and then people are out here saying hey wish I could have a few light beers with my friends. Yeah you could alll just do a single shot and get the same amount of alcohol as a couple light beers but it’s not the same.
  - righthand 2y ago
    Right, you also don’t have to drink a full shot of 151, much like you don’t have to load a whole bowl. You do it because that was the traditional customs. Now you can indulge with just a hit or two. No need to sit and brood. If you really wanted to control it, you’d do it yourself. I think the industry is definitely to blame, but it’s pretty damn opaque what the serving size is based off a thc percentage. Maybe alcohol-style proofs could help, but the important thing is education without capital incentive. Also I sip my shots while people drink a beer and it works out pretty well.
danenania 2y ago
I've long thought there could be a niche market opportunity for a brand focusing exclusively on moderate use. The economic incentives unfortunately seem to favor a heavy bias toward serving "whales" who have very high tolerance and spend a fortune compared to occasional users.
- orionsbelt 2y ago
  that’s what this brand is doing: https://dadgrass.com/ https://dadgrass.com/
  - altairprime 2y ago
    Nope, these are 0% THC — which is still a fine market to target! And I’m glad they exist. But that’s no substitute for 5-10% THC.
- gtvwill 2y ago
  I've always dreamed of getting pouches of sweet leaf/top leaf that's been cured the same way as tobacco. Sometimes I just want a light grilling and a session not as another user put it "3 Puffs and I'm out".
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jajko 2y ago

It seems a trivial issue to tackle at stores - folks should by law give some brief explanation to unexperienced people, and steer them to either less potent strains, or ways to manage small doses easily, for which joints are the worst of the bunch. Where I live stuff is still illegal in any form including recently banned variants like HHC or THC-P, just like rest of Europe more or less (its improving glacially but it will take at least 2 decades for it to look like where US is now, some places much more if ever). By far the best product I've experienced were vapes from US - you can dose yourself with laser precision if you know what you are doing. Vapes are great because they minimize the health impact, don't bother anybody around with obnoxious smoke and smell, compared to edibles they are +-instant and trip ain't endless neither (unless you make it so), you can microdose with 1 small puff if you want. It could be 100% THC and I still won't get more into me than I want. For inexperienced though, stuff can get scary very easily. I recall maybe 10 years ago in Amsterdam I bought 1g of strongest bud they had in that coffee shop, maybe 16% stuff, I asked bartender to roll me one since I had 0 experience nor equipment and I was the only one there, and even with small bit he put in... I had to stop in the middle or I would fall of the bar stool I was sitting on. Suffice to say I am not a beginner in any meaning, but it shocked me how huge the jump in potency it was compared to regular half priced stuff in other coffee shops. I had a girlfriend who got panic mode on something mildly stronger, but she was super sensitive. 2 hits from that and she would end up in ambulance, no doubt. Still, stuff should be fully legal period. Just education should be better, its not so obvious as ie alcohol potency.

Yizahi 2y ago
Stuff should be legal, but advertisement of all drugs (inc. alcohol, nicotine) should be completely banned, everywhere.

thefz 2y ago

Some people on the other hand enjoy rolling a joint with not so potent content,so that they can modulate - one or two puffs now, another two as the movie starts, maybe some later. To surf the high and not be shot out of existence for two hours. For this, hash is great.

xtiansimon 2y ago
You can’t buy hash in the legal markets, right? What’s the substitute?
- SauciestGNU 2y ago
  My legal market has all kinds of hash. Some is more traditional like bubble hash, others is modern like live rosin etc.

EasyMark 2y ago

A lot of people smoke it straight so they don’t really have the option of “vaping this precise amount”. Also the edibles are probably up 5x as powerful as when I was in college just a while ago before legalization became a nationwide thing. We really do have “our best men” on advancing weed potency these days. It’s not Moonflower and Ditchweed growing a plot in upstate Oregon any longer

dzhiurgis 2y ago

I'm not a weedologist, but when there's such insane THC amounts nowadays (without CBD) it's much easier to overdo it. Best to stick with good indica.