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This is probably an unpopular opinion and I don't know if it applies in this case, but I'm pretty convinced that a lot of instances like this are social contagi

by kbos87 2y ago

This is probably an unpopular opinion and I don't know if it applies in this case, but I'm pretty convinced that a lot of instances like this are social contagions running wild. Every few years in the city I live in there's a sudden uptick in reports of drinks getting spiked at local bars. I've seen the mere suggestion that there's a risk of heightened risk of getting roofied at a bar make otherwise intelligent people paranoid or start using it as an excuse for their over-indulgence. And of course, there is never any concrete evidence - nothing shows up in bloodwork, nobody is ever caught doing it... the chatter just eventually fades away. This is obviously a different situation, but I'm weary of the massive scope this has taken on with so little concrete evidence that anything was actually happening. Maybe I'm totally wrong, or maybe it was a real phenomenon that many others hitched onto later on (seems even more plausible.) The point is that we seem to increasingly discount how much incentives and social dynamics play a role in situations like this.

anon84873628 2y ago
It's not an unpopular opinion. In fact it seems to have become the dominant opinion.
bcoates 2y ago
As sort of an exception that proves the rule thing, there was a real recent-ish case of (attempted) drink spiking in the LA area that demonstrates how it would actually go in real life vs the "unexplained mystery blackout while out drinking, must have been roofied by a stranger": https://www.smobserved.com/story/2022/04/03/crime/court-takes-guilty-plea-in-sexual-assault-wine-spiking-case-in-santa-monica/6639.html https://www.smobserved.com/story/2022/04/03/crime/court-take... Victim and attacker knew each other, was immediately noticed by bartender and caught on security cameras, drugs easily detected, etc.
- meepmorp 2y ago
  > An electronic search warrant of HSU's cellular phone device later revealed images and videos of HSU digitally penetrating the victim in an incapacitated state at various stages of their friendship, then dating relationship," Lt. Rudy Flores of the Santa Monica Police Department wrote in a press release, which follows. Sounds like maybe he'd done it several times and then finally gotten caught.
lupusreal 2y ago
I never understood why somebody would fuck around with spiking drinks with exotic drugs when they could simply ask the bartender to keep refilling the target's drink. Alcohol is by far the most likely drug to be used in these scenarios. I'm certain it happens sometimes, but I doubt it's even a fraction of a percent of claimed cases.
- lotsofpulp 2y ago
  You should just roofied on purpose and find out.
EasyMark 2y ago
I tend to agree. Humans are all about 98%the same and anything like this that causes issue should have had very similar symptoms across the board and it didn’t seem to and it shouldn’t have been that only a few from large groups were “affected” when it was reported. I think this is more of a mind over matter thing and where undiagnosed health issues got misreported. I think it was probably shut down not because of ethics but because it wasn’t real.

by kbos87 2y ago

anon84873628 2y ago

It's not an unpopular opinion. In fact it seems to have become the dominant opinion.

bcoates 2y ago

As sort of an exception that proves the rule thing, there was a real recent-ish case of (attempted) drink spiking in the LA area that demonstrates how it would actually go in real life vs the "unexplained mystery blackout while out drinking, must have been roofied by a stranger": https://www.smobserved.com/story/2022/04/03/crime/court-takes-guilty-plea-in-sexual-assault-wine-spiking-case-in-santa-monica/6639.html https://www.smobserved.com/story/2022/04/03/crime/court-take... Victim and attacker knew each other, was immediately noticed by bartender and caught on security cameras, drugs easily detected, etc.

meepmorp 2y ago
> An electronic search warrant of HSU's cellular phone device later revealed images and videos of HSU digitally penetrating the victim in an incapacitated state at various stages of their friendship, then dating relationship," Lt. Rudy Flores of the Santa Monica Police Department wrote in a press release, which follows. Sounds like maybe he'd done it several times and then finally gotten caught.

lupusreal 2y ago

I never understood why somebody would fuck around with spiking drinks with exotic drugs when they could simply ask the bartender to keep refilling the target's drink. Alcohol is by far the most likely drug to be used in these scenarios. I'm certain it happens sometimes, but I doubt it's even a fraction of a percent of claimed cases.

lotsofpulp 2y ago
You should just roofied on purpose and find out.

EasyMark 2y ago

I tend to agree. Humans are all about 98%the same and anything like this that causes issue should have had very similar symptoms across the board and it didn’t seem to and it shouldn’t have been that only a few from large groups were “affected” when it was reported. I think this is more of a mind over matter thing and where undiagnosed health issues got misreported. I think it was probably shut down not because of ethics but because it wasn’t real.