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>Seattle, which is well known in that community to have been a target area of directed energy weapons. This statement needs to be qualified. Unless there was a

>Seattle, which is well known in that community to have been a target area of directed energy weapons. This statement needs to be qualified. Unless there was a development breakthrough, energy weapons are still theoretical. Much less for them to be utilized so widely for specific communities of the public to become "well known" targets.

rdzl 2y ago
Energy weapons are not theoretical. Take apart your microwave oven and put the magnetron in a wave guide and point it at your face. Go ahead and tell me its theoretical after that.
ben_w 2y ago
> Unless there was a development breakthrough, energy weapons are still theoretical More precisely, energy weapons that cause the specific set of things in Havana syndrome. Lasers, focused ultrasound, and ADS all count in the broader category and have been developed to the level of getting tested by law enforcement and military — it's just that none of them do anything like Havana syndrome. There is also the microwave auditory effect, but from what I've read it requires a peak (not average) power so high you'd have to hold the magnetron from a high-end microwave oven against your ear for the effect to be strong enough to do what's been reported. (This is also why that never got developed past research: in practice it would kill people well before the sound became an annoyance).
_qzhm 2y ago
> in that community My point was that the community of DWE believers know about Seattle. There's entire podcasts dedicated to it.
- zoklet-enjoyer 2y ago
  Are these the same people who think they're being gang stalked? Because I know that those guys sometimes think that there are microwave weapons being used on them.
  - _qzhm 2y ago
    Not the guy I know, at least.
lupusreal 2y ago
Direct energy weapons have existed for years. Blinding lasers and pain-inducing microwave rays are both direct energy weapons that are known to exist and have been used "in anger." Importantly however, this doesn't mean that any random embassy jackass claiming to be a victim of one actually was.

rdzl 2y ago

Energy weapons are not theoretical. Take apart your microwave oven and put the magnetron in a wave guide and point it at your face. Go ahead and tell me its theoretical after that.

ben_w 2y ago

> Unless there was a development breakthrough, energy weapons are still theoretical More precisely, energy weapons that cause the specific set of things in Havana syndrome. Lasers, focused ultrasound, and ADS all count in the broader category and have been developed to the level of getting tested by law enforcement and military — it's just that none of them do anything like Havana syndrome. There is also the microwave auditory effect, but from what I've read it requires a peak (not average) power so high you'd have to hold the magnetron from a high-end microwave oven against your ear for the effect to be strong enough to do what's been reported. (This is also why that never got developed past research: in practice it would kill people well before the sound became an annoyance).

_qzhm 2y ago

> in that community My point was that the community of DWE believers know about Seattle. There's entire podcasts dedicated to it.

zoklet-enjoyer 2y ago
Are these the same people who think they're being gang stalked? Because I know that those guys sometimes think that there are microwave weapons being used on them.
- _qzhm 2y ago
  Not the guy I know, at least.

lupusreal 2y ago

Direct energy weapons have existed for years. Blinding lasers and pain-inducing microwave rays are both direct energy weapons that are known to exist and have been used "in anger." Importantly however, this doesn't mean that any random embassy jackass claiming to be a victim of one actually was.