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So, while this is kind of true, and I totally support having headphone jacks in phones (I'm on a Pixel 4a) this post lacks many details and "alternatives". Mod

So, while this is kind of true, and I totally support having headphone jacks in phones (I'm on a Pixel 4a) this post lacks many details and "alternatives". Modern phones might have wireless charging - so charging while listening is possible even with a dongle. There are USB-C only headphones - so not always a dongle is required. There are (overear) Bluetooth headphones that support charging while listening > The headphone jack is a “just works” kind of technology: there’s nothing complicated about it, and its not encumbered by patents, so anybody can make compatible equipment. Oh boy did Apple have success using a proprietary chip for their volume control in EarPods[1] and preventing others except 1more from supporting it. Although proprietary I just love the support oft TRRS driven playback control Apple introduced (play, Pause, rewind etc). Android also supports this these days, although not AS good. I even submitted a PR[2] to audiobookshelf to support Apple like headset controls, but it has not been merged yet. I still use an iPod Nano 7g to listen to audio books until today :-) 1: https://tinymicros.com/wiki/Apple_iPod_Remote_Protocol https://tinymicros.com/wiki/Apple_iPod_Remote_Protocol 2: https://github.com/advplyr/audiobookshelf-app/pull/1218 https://github.com/advplyr/audiobookshelf-app/pull/1218

zczc 2y ago
As far as I remember, TRRS playback control was implemented first by Nokia, but Nokias had 2.5mm jack and switched to 3.5mm only after iPhone.
- sandreas 2y ago
  Cool i didn't know that
jauntywundrkind 2y ago
Some of the dongles are also absurdly unobtrusive. And stunningly cheap. The main downside as i see it (besides the jack not being a default) is that few also are sleek and have usb power. I also think people don't really grok how much complexity & size the jack adds. The footprint of the jack is significant (>3 the plug size). It requires physical reinforcement around it. Often it needs additional chips & passives that take up more space. Keeping water intrusion out requires more careful design. I spent a decade quietly thinking I might never ever use Bluetooth, wondering why people would give up something so concrete for something a little more complex. But I bought some cheap Plantronics Backbeat 903's and found it quite enjoyable being untethered, used them for almost a decade, and have found few of my fears or concerns manifested in practice. It's been great.
bjoli 2y ago
I have had so many issues with usb c audio. Disconnection, bad contact, broken connectors. They break all the time. 3.5 or die. I have bought Motorola phones the last 3 phones I have had. They are great.

zczc 2y ago

As far as I remember, TRRS playback control was implemented first by Nokia, but Nokias had 2.5mm jack and switched to 3.5mm only after iPhone.

sandreas 2y ago
Cool i didn't know that

jauntywundrkind 2y ago

Some of the dongles are also absurdly unobtrusive. And stunningly cheap. The main downside as i see it (besides the jack not being a default) is that few also are sleek and have usb power. I also think people don't really grok how much complexity & size the jack adds. The footprint of the jack is significant (>3 the plug size). It requires physical reinforcement around it. Often it needs additional chips & passives that take up more space. Keeping water intrusion out requires more careful design. I spent a decade quietly thinking I might never ever use Bluetooth, wondering why people would give up something so concrete for something a little more complex. But I bought some cheap Plantronics Backbeat 903's and found it quite enjoyable being untethered, used them for almost a decade, and have found few of my fears or concerns manifested in practice. It's been great.

bjoli 2y ago

I have had so many issues with usb c audio. Disconnection, bad contact, broken connectors. They break all the time. 3.5 or die. I have bought Motorola phones the last 3 phones I have had. They are great.