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Voting with your wallet probably isn't going to work, because you probably represent a drop in the bucket of sales. If you want this changed, start a campaign

Voting with your wallet probably isn't going to work, because you probably represent a drop in the bucket of sales. If you want this changed, start a campaign and write to your representative in Congress. If the EU could make Apple put USB-C on the iPhone, maybe you can get the 3.5mm jack back on your phone. But you won't get there by kidding yourself thinking your individual sale matters. --- I'm seeing any number of dongles that include a charge port on Amazon, like this one: https://a.co/d/hwiLAqp https://a.co/d/hwiLAqp Wireless charging for your phone is also an option.

margalabargala 2y ago
Voting with your wallet by failing to purchase a phone from a huge corp like Samsung, is not something that will change Samsung's behavior, I agree. Voting with your wallet by buying a phone with a headphone jack, especially from a smaller maker like Unihertz, is impactful and helps ensure those alternatives stay around.
- striking 2y ago
  Maybe! But I checked Unihertz's site and it seems like their newest upcoming release, the Jelly Max, will be lacking a headphone jack too: https://www.unihertz.com/products/jelly-max https://www.unihertz.com/products/jelly-max To their credit, it appears to come with an adapter. My guess is that Unihertz, among others, is probably either reselling an existing design or contracting minor changes to an existing design. So unless you're voting with your wallet hard enough to shift the tides of the entire white-label phone manufacturing industry, I think I'm still doubting the impact here.
  - margalabargala 2y ago
    I don't think that Unihertz is reselling white-label phones; I've seen no other phone that remotely resembles theirs, and considering their form factor I don't think the innards are reusable without a lot of design rework. The lack of the headphone jack on the Jelly Max is disappointing, though.
tedunangst 2y ago
Also, a law that every laptop must include a DB9 serial port.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > a law that every laptop must include a DB9 serial port /s?
- striking 2y ago
  In truth, it's in the same ballpark of ridiculous to me.
krisoft 2y ago
> Voting with your wallet probably isn't going to work, because you probably represent a drop in the bucket of sales. I mean... it worked. People voted with their valets and the side who likes tangled cables to listen to music from their phones lost the vote. That is literally voting with your valet in action. I understand that you probably mean "voting with your wallet won't work" in the sense that it won't change the situation. But it is also a bit like saying that democracy doesn't work because my party didn't win, because there were not enough people supporting it. A bit against the principle of the thing.
- asadotzler 2y ago
  No, people didn't vote with their wallets. Apple made a decision and everyone was forced by Apple's lock-in to deal with it.
  - krisoft 2y ago
    But did people buy the jackless phones? That is voting with their wallets. It is not like anyone is forced at gunpoint to buy apple phones.

margalabargala 2y ago

Voting with your wallet by failing to purchase a phone from a huge corp like Samsung, is not something that will change Samsung's behavior, I agree. Voting with your wallet by buying a phone with a headphone jack, especially from a smaller maker like Unihertz, is impactful and helps ensure those alternatives stay around.

striking 2y ago
Maybe! But I checked Unihertz's site and it seems like their newest upcoming release, the Jelly Max, will be lacking a headphone jack too: https://www.unihertz.com/products/jelly-max https://www.unihertz.com/products/jelly-max To their credit, it appears to come with an adapter. My guess is that Unihertz, among others, is probably either reselling an existing design or contracting minor changes to an existing design. So unless you're voting with your wallet hard enough to shift the tides of the entire white-label phone manufacturing industry, I think I'm still doubting the impact here.
- margalabargala 2y ago
  I don't think that Unihertz is reselling white-label phones; I've seen no other phone that remotely resembles theirs, and considering their form factor I don't think the innards are reusable without a lot of design rework. The lack of the headphone jack on the Jelly Max is disappointing, though.

tedunangst 2y ago

Also, a law that every laptop must include a DB9 serial port.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> a law that every laptop must include a DB9 serial port /s?
striking 2y ago
In truth, it's in the same ballpark of ridiculous to me.

krisoft 2y ago

> Voting with your wallet probably isn't going to work, because you probably represent a drop in the bucket of sales. I mean... it worked. People voted with their valets and the side who likes tangled cables to listen to music from their phones lost the vote. That is literally voting with your valet in action. I understand that you probably mean "voting with your wallet won't work" in the sense that it won't change the situation. But it is also a bit like saying that democracy doesn't work because my party didn't win, because there were not enough people supporting it. A bit against the principle of the thing.

asadotzler 2y ago
No, people didn't vote with their wallets. Apple made a decision and everyone was forced by Apple's lock-in to deal with it.
- krisoft 2y ago
  But did people buy the jackless phones? That is voting with their wallets. It is not like anyone is forced at gunpoint to buy apple phones.