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I think that's quite an interesting strategic move which could have tremendous impact on the whole passkeys provider / password manager ecosystem. What do you

I think that's quite an interesting strategic move which could have tremendous impact on the whole passkeys provider / password manager ecosystem. What do you think will be Apple's next move?

madeofpalk 2y ago
iCloud Keychain/Passwords has been syncing to Windows for years https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/icloud-windows/icw2babf5e03/icloud https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/icloud-windows/icw2bab... Other providers like 1Password also offer cross platform passkey sync.
- 015a 2y ago
  Tbh the only people who seriously recommend iCloud for Windows are people who don't regularly use it.
  - p0seidon 2y ago
    I think you are right for the moment; maybe now they will put in more effort?
    - 015a 2y ago
      "Now" why? What's changed? There's no demand for it. The market of people who say "I'd switch to iCloud Keychain if only they had better Windows support" is vanishingly small, and at the end of the day Apple doesn't reap revenue from iCloud Keychain anyway so why do they care if you switch? A more native and higher quality Apple Passwords app for Windows wouldn't even really solve anyone's problems. I don't know the specifics on how the Windows Hello authentication layer works, but my assumption is: Apple can distribute this app, but this app couldn't just make its passkeys natively available to e.g. Chrome on Windows, without a browser extension which would effectively bypass the app anyway. And, Apple already has a Chrome browser extension.
      - p0seidon 2y ago
        That is the next interesting point. At the moment, you are right; there is no third-party password manager support on Windows. However, when they integrate synced passkeys, they might offer that. I think, until now, there has been no strategic value in leveraging access management for customers. Once you have a passkey in your cloud, you have a connection with a website forever (unless you revoke it). The future is an automatic login via passkeys (with user consent, of course). What changed: Apple & Google want to enter deeper into customer connection and at the same time offer a more secure and convenient authentication for their customers.

I think that's quite an interesting strategic move which could have tremendous impact on the whole passkeys provider / password manager ecosystem. What do you think will be Apple's next move?

madeofpalk 2y ago

iCloud Keychain/Passwords has been syncing to Windows for years https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/icloud-windows/icw2babf5e03/icloud https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/icloud-windows/icw2bab... Other providers like 1Password also offer cross platform passkey sync.

015a 2y ago
Tbh the only people who seriously recommend iCloud for Windows are people who don't regularly use it.
- p0seidon 2y ago
  I think you are right for the moment; maybe now they will put in more effort?
  - 015a 2y ago
    "Now" why? What's changed? There's no demand for it. The market of people who say "I'd switch to iCloud Keychain if only they had better Windows support" is vanishingly small, and at the end of the day Apple doesn't reap revenue from iCloud Keychain anyway so why do they care if you switch? A more native and higher quality Apple Passwords app for Windows wouldn't even really solve anyone's problems. I don't know the specifics on how the Windows Hello authentication layer works, but my assumption is: Apple can distribute this app, but this app couldn't just make its passkeys natively available to e.g. Chrome on Windows, without a browser extension which would effectively bypass the app anyway. And, Apple already has a Chrome browser extension.
    - p0seidon 2y ago
      That is the next interesting point. At the moment, you are right; there is no third-party password manager support on Windows. However, when they integrate synced passkeys, they might offer that. I think, until now, there has been no strategic value in leveraging access management for customers. Once you have a passkey in your cloud, you have a connection with a website forever (unless you revoke it). The future is an automatic login via passkeys (with user consent, of course). What changed: Apple & Google want to enter deeper into customer connection and at the same time offer a more secure and convenient authentication for their customers.