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To mirror the sibling comment, where's the POSIX container/zone/vm whatever specification? If the BSDs and Linux can agree on a meaningful subset, macOS might a

To mirror the sibling comment, where's the POSIX container/zone/vm whatever specification? If the BSDs and Linux can agree on a meaningful subset, macOS might actually follow

pjmlp 2y ago
There isn't any in POSIX, then again, it isn't as if we now need containers for every executable for any magical reason. Also, just like in the good old days, it isn't hard to have something dealing with HP-UX Vaults, Aix logical partitions, Solaris/Ilumnos Zones, BSD jails, macOS Virtualiztion Framework,....
- saagarjha 2y ago
  Just listing technologies that sound kind of similar isn’t enough to actually answer the problems people want solved. The “good old days” were basically just people crying about being unable to have any of the features we have now because they don’t match up or differ in subtly different ways.
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    Best way to solve problems is not to have them in first place, like getting a Linux laptop for doing Linux work.
    - FpUser 2y ago
      Words of wisdom. I do not really have any dev related problems with WSL2 either. Normally I develop and debug on Windows and deploy to Linux as my code compiles and works natively on both. It is mostly C++ backends lately so I suspect I am in tiny minority.
    - saagarjha 2y ago
      I like my laptop though.
      - pjmlp 2y ago
        Then use it as Apple decides it is in our best interest to do so, :)
    - jchw 2y ago
      It's harder and harder to use Linux at work outside of bigger tech companies these days. Security standards like SOC2 seem fairly difficult to satisfy for Linux workstations without serious compromises. This is a damn shame because there are approaches to secure Linux workstations that seem pretty powerful but security standards now are prescriptive about what you must do to secure your systems, and for Linux that's going to mean paying for some subscription software that most likely only supports a couple of distros, and if you're lucky, they might support kernels from the _current_ decade. I used Linux workstations for most of my entire career, at nearly every job. Seems like around 2018 something changed and now I'm going to have to fight to get a desktop that I feel vaguely productive under for every single job I get going forward.
- unilynx 2y ago
  I was responding to 'people insist on using Linux specific stuff instead of UNIX'. As far as I can tell there is no way to do containers without doing highly platform specific stuff. It would be very useful if the platforms worked towards a common 'more than chroot' thing. As far as not really needing it, it's not like computers themselves are anywhere near the bottom of Maslow's pyramid, but that doesn't make them any less useful

To mirror the sibling comment, where's the POSIX container/zone/vm whatever specification? If the BSDs and Linux can agree on a meaningful subset, macOS might actually follow

pjmlp 2y ago

There isn't any in POSIX, then again, it isn't as if we now need containers for every executable for any magical reason. Also, just like in the good old days, it isn't hard to have something dealing with HP-UX Vaults, Aix logical partitions, Solaris/Ilumnos Zones, BSD jails, macOS Virtualiztion Framework,....

saagarjha 2y ago
Just listing technologies that sound kind of similar isn’t enough to actually answer the problems people want solved. The “good old days” were basically just people crying about being unable to have any of the features we have now because they don’t match up or differ in subtly different ways.
- pjmlp 2y ago
  Best way to solve problems is not to have them in first place, like getting a Linux laptop for doing Linux work.
  - FpUser 2y ago
    Words of wisdom. I do not really have any dev related problems with WSL2 either. Normally I develop and debug on Windows and deploy to Linux as my code compiles and works natively on both. It is mostly C++ backends lately so I suspect I am in tiny minority.
  - saagarjha 2y ago
    I like my laptop though.
    - pjmlp 2y ago
      Then use it as Apple decides it is in our best interest to do so, :)
  - jchw 2y ago
    It's harder and harder to use Linux at work outside of bigger tech companies these days. Security standards like SOC2 seem fairly difficult to satisfy for Linux workstations without serious compromises. This is a damn shame because there are approaches to secure Linux workstations that seem pretty powerful but security standards now are prescriptive about what you must do to secure your systems, and for Linux that's going to mean paying for some subscription software that most likely only supports a couple of distros, and if you're lucky, they might support kernels from the _current_ decade. I used Linux workstations for most of my entire career, at nearly every job. Seems like around 2018 something changed and now I'm going to have to fight to get a desktop that I feel vaguely productive under for every single job I get going forward.
unilynx 2y ago
I was responding to 'people insist on using Linux specific stuff instead of UNIX'. As far as I can tell there is no way to do containers without doing highly platform specific stuff. It would be very useful if the platforms worked towards a common 'more than chroot' thing. As far as not really needing it, it's not like computers themselves are anywhere near the bottom of Maslow's pyramid, but that doesn't make them any less useful