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That's why Company B would never hire a C++ programmer and train them. Instead they would hire people who knew python (and insist of Python2.7rc2 b34 patch leve

That's why Company B would never hire a C++ programmer and train them. Instead they would hire people who knew python (and insist of Python2.7rc2 b34 patch level 42 experience) AND pay less and rely on getting people that were either rejected from A or didn't find A. They would then decide the problem was python, fire all the programmers and try again with magic-silver-bullet technology of the day

hkarthik 14y ago
yeah, I neglected to mention the toxic company F which does all of what you're saying. Except after they fire all the programmers, they outsource all of their product development overseas.
- kamaal 14y ago
  Money is not the only motive for outsourcing things. Its one of the many reasons. I am from Bangalore, India. I also worked at a major Indian IT firm for more than 5 years. I can tell you many more parameters apart from money matter regarding outsourcing. I see this with even more clarity as I work for a product company that outsources work. Well executed outsourcing projects make life very easy for clients, that starts with cost savings and ends up going to many levels. I've seen my share of good and bad cases of outsourcing. And I can tell you that in many cases there are healthy relationships between clients and outsourcing firms lead to some amazing benefits for each other. I've known a lot projects that are running for years without any complaints or interventions from clients. They are big massive projects, yet extremely well executed. When you look at it in its entirety the clients save a lot of money and other precious energy which they can focus on solving other problems. Its not just direct billing. But the clients save much on management, HR, infrastructure, IT and nearly every thing required to hire people and run the company. I know there is a lot of negative impression about outsourcing in the US. And its pretty common for people to highlight failed cases or when some outsourced project went wrong. You will be surprised if you actually come here, at ground zero and see those numbers are actually scanty and most of the outsourced projects actually run pretty well.
  - msellout 14y ago
    Perhaps. Or maybe you should come here and see how unwell most of the projects are? I think it's very easy for the engineers to think they did a good job while the end-users do not. The deals keep flowing because of the middle-men managers and consultants that agree on requirements and success metrics that are not good proxies for end-user productivity.
    - kamaal 14y ago
      >>Perhaps. Or maybe you should come here and see how unwell most of the projects are? I would love to, I like the American society a lot. Especially since we learned so much from America. >>I think it's very easy for the engineers to think they did a good job while the end-users do not. The deals keep flowing because of the middle-men managers and consultants that agree on requirements and success metrics that are not good proxies for end-user productivity. You can either take your competition seriously or continue to believe in whatever you believe. You Decide!
      - msellout 14y ago
        It's a standard problem for all engineers -- being forced to interact with managers instead of users.

hkarthik 14y ago

yeah, I neglected to mention the toxic company F which does all of what you're saying. Except after they fire all the programmers, they outsource all of their product development overseas.

kamaal 14y ago
Money is not the only motive for outsourcing things. Its one of the many reasons. I am from Bangalore, India. I also worked at a major Indian IT firm for more than 5 years. I can tell you many more parameters apart from money matter regarding outsourcing. I see this with even more clarity as I work for a product company that outsources work. Well executed outsourcing projects make life very easy for clients, that starts with cost savings and ends up going to many levels. I've seen my share of good and bad cases of outsourcing. And I can tell you that in many cases there are healthy relationships between clients and outsourcing firms lead to some amazing benefits for each other. I've known a lot projects that are running for years without any complaints or interventions from clients. They are big massive projects, yet extremely well executed. When you look at it in its entirety the clients save a lot of money and other precious energy which they can focus on solving other problems. Its not just direct billing. But the clients save much on management, HR, infrastructure, IT and nearly every thing required to hire people and run the company. I know there is a lot of negative impression about outsourcing in the US. And its pretty common for people to highlight failed cases or when some outsourced project went wrong. You will be surprised if you actually come here, at ground zero and see those numbers are actually scanty and most of the outsourced projects actually run pretty well.
- msellout 14y ago
  Perhaps. Or maybe you should come here and see how unwell most of the projects are? I think it's very easy for the engineers to think they did a good job while the end-users do not. The deals keep flowing because of the middle-men managers and consultants that agree on requirements and success metrics that are not good proxies for end-user productivity.
  - kamaal 14y ago
    >>Perhaps. Or maybe you should come here and see how unwell most of the projects are? I would love to, I like the American society a lot. Especially since we learned so much from America. >>I think it's very easy for the engineers to think they did a good job while the end-users do not. The deals keep flowing because of the middle-men managers and consultants that agree on requirements and success metrics that are not good proxies for end-user productivity. You can either take your competition seriously or continue to believe in whatever you believe. You Decide!
    - msellout 14y ago
      It's a standard problem for all engineers -- being forced to interact with managers instead of users.