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From a quick search: "Please be aware that if your spoken words include personal or other sensitive information, that information will be among the data captur

From a quick search: "Please be aware that if your spoken words include personal or other sensitive information, that information will be among the data captured and transmitted to a third party through your use of Voice Recognition," Samsung posted in its SmartTV privacy policy. https://money.cnn.com/2015/02/09/technology/security/samsung-smart-tv-privacy/index.html https://money.cnn.com/2015/02/09/technology/security/samsung... There's nothing to hide, it's part of the way the TVs work and explicitly stated by the manufacturers.

schiffern 2y ago
>There's nothing to hide Sure there is. I would expect a feature called "Voice Recognition" would only be active when I was using voice commands (and perhaps the occasional accidental activation), but not at other times.
- doublerabbit 2y ago
  > would only be active when I was using voice commands How would you activate certain voice commands if it wasn't listening to all? If the microphone was off than it has no way of hearing and activating the commands. So by design it's microphone needs to be on 24/7. You could have a push-to-talk button on a remote control to enable the mic but than you just might as well use the remote control. All these talk to activate features are designed only for the sake of being gimmicky and unethical surveillance.
  - lukan 2y ago
    I think amazon solved this partly with hardcoding "alexa" as the wake up word. Meaning a specialized program monitors for "alexa" and ignores everything else and does not record. Smart TVs might work similar, but I surely won't have anything like it in my home anyway.
    - doublerabbit 2y ago
      Partly yes, but the microphone is still on, you have no access to the code so how can you determine that a malicious actor isn't listening in?
      - lukan 2y ago
        You won't know that with any other microphone either. Also any loud speaker to be precise (they can be used as microphones). But like I said, I don't want to have those devices either and my smartphone has a removable battery ..
    - sixothree 2y ago
      That would be reassuring if there was literally any way to verify this.
  - schiffern 2y ago
    > How would you activate certain voice commands if it wasn't listening to all? One common implementation is to use a locally detected wake word (described in another post), but I've also seen many which require you to hold down a button to speak voice commands. Both solutions answer your technical question satisfactorily. However, this is how I (and most people) expect voice commands will work based on plain reading of the fine print: the voice commands will be transmitted, but it won't establish 24/7 audio surveillance of your house. The fine print (and therefore the "explicit" "consent" so obtained) is deceptive and fraudulent. --- However your real concern is apparently a trust question, not a technical question. The technical question was apparently just a distraction. Obviously if you don't trust the implementer not to lie about their implementation (ie you assume fraud at the outset), then any microphone (or speaker for that matter!) could be a 24/7 listening bug regardless of trigger implementation or EULA fine print. I see that in another reply you already moved the goalposts thusly.[1] ;) [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41424684 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41424684
flir 2y ago
Whew. And I thought the mobile phone industry was a cesspit...
mewpmewp2 2y ago
But usually you would have a wakeword that is recognized locally or a button that has to be pressed before online speech recognition would start.

schiffern 2y ago

>There's nothing to hide Sure there is. I would expect a feature called "Voice Recognition" would only be active when I was using voice commands (and perhaps the occasional accidental activation), but not at other times.

doublerabbit 2y ago
> would only be active when I was using voice commands How would you activate certain voice commands if it wasn't listening to all? If the microphone was off than it has no way of hearing and activating the commands. So by design it's microphone needs to be on 24/7. You could have a push-to-talk button on a remote control to enable the mic but than you just might as well use the remote control. All these talk to activate features are designed only for the sake of being gimmicky and unethical surveillance.
- lukan 2y ago
  I think amazon solved this partly with hardcoding "alexa" as the wake up word. Meaning a specialized program monitors for "alexa" and ignores everything else and does not record. Smart TVs might work similar, but I surely won't have anything like it in my home anyway.
  - doublerabbit 2y ago
    Partly yes, but the microphone is still on, you have no access to the code so how can you determine that a malicious actor isn't listening in?
    - lukan 2y ago
      You won't know that with any other microphone either. Also any loud speaker to be precise (they can be used as microphones). But like I said, I don't want to have those devices either and my smartphone has a removable battery ..
  - sixothree 2y ago
    That would be reassuring if there was literally any way to verify this.
- schiffern 2y ago
  > How would you activate certain voice commands if it wasn't listening to all? One common implementation is to use a locally detected wake word (described in another post), but I've also seen many which require you to hold down a button to speak voice commands. Both solutions answer your technical question satisfactorily. However, this is how I (and most people) expect voice commands will work based on plain reading of the fine print: the voice commands will be transmitted, but it won't establish 24/7 audio surveillance of your house. The fine print (and therefore the "explicit" "consent" so obtained) is deceptive and fraudulent. --- However your real concern is apparently a trust question, not a technical question. The technical question was apparently just a distraction. Obviously if you don't trust the implementer not to lie about their implementation (ie you assume fraud at the outset), then any microphone (or speaker for that matter!) could be a 24/7 listening bug regardless of trigger implementation or EULA fine print. I see that in another reply you already moved the goalposts thusly.[1] ;) [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41424684 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41424684

flir 2y ago

Whew. And I thought the mobile phone industry was a cesspit...

mewpmewp2 2y ago

But usually you would have a wakeword that is recognized locally or a button that has to be pressed before online speech recognition would start.