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The only speech this man wants to be free is his own.

by r0ckarong 2y ago

teekert 2y ago
Do you have any examples where he blocks other people's speech?
- timeon 2y ago
  For example: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-65609123 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-65609123
- defrost 2y ago
  Opposition parties and activists in India and Turkey - both at the request of the governments there: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41387061 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41387061 There are other examples, those two should suffice.
  - teekert 2y ago
    He's selective wrt which governments he is giving into, he's not blocking anything himself. Would you rather: He obeys all governments? Obeys no governments?
    - defrost 2y ago
      You asked for examples where he has blocked peoples speech. I provided examples of where he has blocked peoples speech.
      - teekert 2y ago
        Sorry, I was asking in context of OP "The only speech this man wants to be free is his own.", seems like there is no evidence of him bringing this statement into effect, I was looking for such evidence, as in: He blocked someone by himself for himself.
        defrost 2y ago
        It appears that Musk is currently aligned with more extreme right wing conservative voices, he appears to tweet and retweet in their support, he blocks the oposition of such governments in Turkey and India, he more recently seems to support both Trump and Bolsonaro, both right wing election deniers who encouraged attempts to overthrow elections. I have no particular insight into Musk, I speak only to the observation that he appears to support some voices over others and as such that is "his voice" - those who say things he supports and whose opponents he blocks.
    - EasyMark 2y ago
      I think the point is that he shouldn’t lie about selective “free speech” in Brazil he seems all for it to the point of getting kicked out of the country. With more friendly regimes he is happy to censor other voices than the official “state”voice. I think people are looking for consistency and honesty rather than the charade his currently projecting.
      - dazilcher 2y ago
        So he's a hypocrite. Like most people are. Doesn't change the fact that in this case he happens to be fighting a good fight.
- ofrzeta 2y ago
  How about this? https://newrepublic.com/post/177936/twitter-suspends-accounts-journalists-critical-elon-musk https://newrepublic.com/post/177936/twitter-suspends-account... "This is at least the fifth time that X, under Musk, has purged accounts that are the slightest bit critical of him, his friends, or causes he supports"
  - teekert 2y ago
    Ok yeah, that's pretty bad indeed.
  - mike_hearn 2y ago
    That article says the suspensions lasted only a few hours. In no way were they "purged", and the first three named accounts all are highly active. MintPress News journalist: https://twitter.com/alanrmacleod https://twitter.com/alanrmacleod (active, posted in the last hour) Intercept journalist: https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein (active, posted 46 minutes ago) Texas Observer journalist: https://x.com/stevanzetti https://x.com/stevanzetti (active, posted 2 hours ago) If these are the best examples of Musk engaging in censorship then he must be doing a very fair job indeed! A more likely explanation is that the suspensions were related to anti-botting activity, as they came back from suspension with fewer followers than before. Journalists buying Twitter followers is not unheard of, unfortunately: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/journalists-struggle-explain-why-they-bought-fake-twitter-followers-n843871 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/journalists-struggle-ex...
- r0ckarong 2y ago
  https://freespeechproject.georgetown.edu/tracker-entries/elon-musk-fires-twitter-employees-for-criticizing-him/ https://freespeechproject.georgetown.edu/tracker-entries/elo... https://electrek.co/2022/12/20/tesla-wont-tolerate-dissent-against-elon-musk-fired-two-employees/ https://electrek.co/2022/12/20/tesla-wont-tolerate-dissent-a... https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-staff-slam-elon-musk-did-you-bother-to-learn-2022-11 https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-staff-slam-elon-musk... https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/former-ceo-tesla-criticized-musk-he-easily-angry-likes-fire-employees https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/former-ceo-tesla-criticized-m... Oh wait, you mean suppress people ON TWITTER? This is an entirely different search query.

The only speech this man wants to be free is his own.

teekert 2y ago

Do you have any examples where he blocks other people's speech?

timeon 2y ago
For example: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-65609123 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-65609123
defrost 2y ago
Opposition parties and activists in India and Turkey - both at the request of the governments there: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41387061 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41387061 There are other examples, those two should suffice.
- teekert 2y ago
  He's selective wrt which governments he is giving into, he's not blocking anything himself. Would you rather: He obeys all governments? Obeys no governments?
  - defrost 2y ago
    You asked for examples where he has blocked peoples speech. I provided examples of where he has blocked peoples speech.
    - teekert 2y ago
      Sorry, I was asking in context of OP "The only speech this man wants to be free is his own.", seems like there is no evidence of him bringing this statement into effect, I was looking for such evidence, as in: He blocked someone by himself for himself.
      - defrost 2y ago
        It appears that Musk is currently aligned with more extreme right wing conservative voices, he appears to tweet and retweet in their support, he blocks the oposition of such governments in Turkey and India, he more recently seems to support both Trump and Bolsonaro, both right wing election deniers who encouraged attempts to overthrow elections. I have no particular insight into Musk, I speak only to the observation that he appears to support some voices over others and as such that is "his voice" - those who say things he supports and whose opponents he blocks.
  - EasyMark 2y ago
    I think the point is that he shouldn’t lie about selective “free speech” in Brazil he seems all for it to the point of getting kicked out of the country. With more friendly regimes he is happy to censor other voices than the official “state”voice. I think people are looking for consistency and honesty rather than the charade his currently projecting.
    - dazilcher 2y ago
      So he's a hypocrite. Like most people are. Doesn't change the fact that in this case he happens to be fighting a good fight.
ofrzeta 2y ago
How about this? https://newrepublic.com/post/177936/twitter-suspends-accounts-journalists-critical-elon-musk https://newrepublic.com/post/177936/twitter-suspends-account... "This is at least the fifth time that X, under Musk, has purged accounts that are the slightest bit critical of him, his friends, or causes he supports"
- teekert 2y ago
  Ok yeah, that's pretty bad indeed.
- mike_hearn 2y ago
  That article says the suspensions lasted only a few hours. In no way were they "purged", and the first three named accounts all are highly active. MintPress News journalist: https://twitter.com/alanrmacleod https://twitter.com/alanrmacleod (active, posted in the last hour) Intercept journalist: https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein (active, posted 46 minutes ago) Texas Observer journalist: https://x.com/stevanzetti https://x.com/stevanzetti (active, posted 2 hours ago) If these are the best examples of Musk engaging in censorship then he must be doing a very fair job indeed! A more likely explanation is that the suspensions were related to anti-botting activity, as they came back from suspension with fewer followers than before. Journalists buying Twitter followers is not unheard of, unfortunately: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/journalists-struggle-explain-why-they-bought-fake-twitter-followers-n843871 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/journalists-struggle-ex...
r0ckarong 2y ago
https://freespeechproject.georgetown.edu/tracker-entries/elon-musk-fires-twitter-employees-for-criticizing-him/ https://freespeechproject.georgetown.edu/tracker-entries/elo... https://electrek.co/2022/12/20/tesla-wont-tolerate-dissent-against-elon-musk-fired-two-employees/ https://electrek.co/2022/12/20/tesla-wont-tolerate-dissent-a... https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-staff-slam-elon-musk-did-you-bother-to-learn-2022-11 https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-staff-slam-elon-musk... https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/former-ceo-tesla-criticized-musk-he-easily-angry-likes-fire-employees https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/former-ceo-tesla-criticized-m... Oh wait, you mean suppress people ON TWITTER? This is an entirely different search query.