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Asked the other way around, why would anyone think a Docker container runner would be tied to MacOS?

by knallfrosch 2y ago

saagarjha 2y ago
Because Windows users are unlikely to care about Docker and Linux people don’t pay for stuff
- withinboredom 2y ago
  I work on Windows, but mostly just use it for windowing. Almost all my work is done in WSL2 and Docker. The only things running natively are my IDE, my web browser, and slack.
- vultour 2y ago
  This is hilarious and perfectly sums up my experience with Mac developers. Half of them have no idea Docker Desktop actually installs a Linux VM. They think how amazing their incredibly expensive system is, yet it's mostly a glorified text editor. The WSL experience on Windows convinced me buying a MacOS machine makes no sense.
  - saagarjha 2y ago
    Glad the humor landed
  - eropple 2y ago
    So I use WSL2 regularly on Windows, but I don't agree at all that buying a Mac doesn't make sense. WSL2 is great, and Windows 10/11 are fine after doing some cleanup...on a desktop. My experience with Windows on even modern laptops is pretty bad. It's very hard to find something with the build quality and affordances of a Mac. Razer makes a good machine but tbh I'd be embarrassed to bring one to a meeting, and I don't like how newer Thinkpads feel and I don't trust Framework to exist in a few years. It's then complicated while seeking reasonably comparable specs--and I'm not a "oh Apple Silicon sounds warmer" sort of person, amd64 is just fine with me, but AMD's high-end IGPs generally keep pace with base-model Macbooks, and start to fall behind pretty significantly when you move up to a Pro or a Max. You can add a discrete GPU, but, me, I like battery life, and mobile dGPUs are a mess of compromises anyway. Even if you get over that hurdle, I think Windows feels bad when you're using a touchpad. They haven't cracked that one despite how long they've had to work on it. I wouldn't want to work on a Windows laptop without an external trackball; I carry one with my Mac but rarely use it unless I'm going to be working for a pretty long stretch and I want to save my hands. Windows is still generally my pick for desktops for a lot of reasons (I don't even dual-boot Linux right now!) but this kind of sneering is weird and uncalled-for.
  - baq 2y ago
    Macs have great hardware (as in, great display and a great touchpad - and the best thing is the computer wakes from sleep when you open the lid, every time; I don't particularly care about the M-series except that it runs super duper cool for how fast it is). That said I've been tooting the horn that they are not good software development machines for about 2 years now (incidentally matches exactly with when I got a work macbook pro).
- yunohn 2y ago
  The vast majority of devs use windows for dev, esp with Docker. Why wouldn’t they care about it?
  - charrondev 2y ago
    Because windows has WSL? You have a 1st party directly integrated Linux already. My work laptop is a MacBook Pro and we use Docker Desktop, but for my personal work I use a desktop and run WSL/Ubuntu. All my GUI stuff and text editors are on the windows side and the actual software all runs in docker in the Ubuntu subsystem.
    - yunohn 2y ago
      Docker and WSL are complementary, and often used together. Otherwise why would anyone on Linux use Docker acc to you?

Asked the other way around, why would anyone think a Docker container runner would be tied to MacOS?

saagarjha 2y ago

Because Windows users are unlikely to care about Docker and Linux people don’t pay for stuff

withinboredom 2y ago
I work on Windows, but mostly just use it for windowing. Almost all my work is done in WSL2 and Docker. The only things running natively are my IDE, my web browser, and slack.
vultour 2y ago
This is hilarious and perfectly sums up my experience with Mac developers. Half of them have no idea Docker Desktop actually installs a Linux VM. They think how amazing their incredibly expensive system is, yet it's mostly a glorified text editor. The WSL experience on Windows convinced me buying a MacOS machine makes no sense.
- saagarjha 2y ago
  Glad the humor landed
- eropple 2y ago
  So I use WSL2 regularly on Windows, but I don't agree at all that buying a Mac doesn't make sense. WSL2 is great, and Windows 10/11 are fine after doing some cleanup...on a desktop. My experience with Windows on even modern laptops is pretty bad. It's very hard to find something with the build quality and affordances of a Mac. Razer makes a good machine but tbh I'd be embarrassed to bring one to a meeting, and I don't like how newer Thinkpads feel and I don't trust Framework to exist in a few years. It's then complicated while seeking reasonably comparable specs--and I'm not a "oh Apple Silicon sounds warmer" sort of person, amd64 is just fine with me, but AMD's high-end IGPs generally keep pace with base-model Macbooks, and start to fall behind pretty significantly when you move up to a Pro or a Max. You can add a discrete GPU, but, me, I like battery life, and mobile dGPUs are a mess of compromises anyway. Even if you get over that hurdle, I think Windows feels bad when you're using a touchpad. They haven't cracked that one despite how long they've had to work on it. I wouldn't want to work on a Windows laptop without an external trackball; I carry one with my Mac but rarely use it unless I'm going to be working for a pretty long stretch and I want to save my hands. Windows is still generally my pick for desktops for a lot of reasons (I don't even dual-boot Linux right now!) but this kind of sneering is weird and uncalled-for.
- baq 2y ago
  Macs have great hardware (as in, great display and a great touchpad - and the best thing is the computer wakes from sleep when you open the lid, every time; I don't particularly care about the M-series except that it runs super duper cool for how fast it is). That said I've been tooting the horn that they are not good software development machines for about 2 years now (incidentally matches exactly with when I got a work macbook pro).
yunohn 2y ago
The vast majority of devs use windows for dev, esp with Docker. Why wouldn’t they care about it?
- charrondev 2y ago
  Because windows has WSL? You have a 1st party directly integrated Linux already. My work laptop is a MacBook Pro and we use Docker Desktop, but for my personal work I use a desktop and run WSL/Ubuntu. All my GUI stuff and text editors are on the windows side and the actual software all runs in docker in the Ubuntu subsystem.
  - yunohn 2y ago
    Docker and WSL are complementary, and often used together. Otherwise why would anyone on Linux use Docker acc to you?