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If you think about how we've handled climate change, then we're fucked, because what I'm reading from you is it's going to take. 1) Co-ordination on a massive

If you think about how we've handled climate change, then we're fucked, because what I'm reading from you is it's going to take. 1) Co-ordination on a massive scale. 2) Honesty and integrity on all political fronts, including between hostile nations. 3) Uncompromising forward thinking and planning. Yes I know I'm negative, but people who expect some type of solution to come in the form of organization, are deluded IMO. The only saving grace for me is that we lack a lot of imagination about what the future will actually look like and so the AI takeover scenarios, and worthless humans hypothesis are not really what happens, we don't really know what will happen.

bufferoverflow 2y ago
No. If things get really bad, pretty much everyone will want to fix them. And as far as temperatures go, it's not even that expensive to fix - block/reflect some of the sun at scale. Cover some deserts in cheap mirror material is probably the cheapest way to do this. USA alone can afford to do that. The expensive part is taking CO2 out of the atmosphere. But if the temperatures are back to normal (whatever "normal" we choose), then CO2 is less of an issue.
- bamboozled 2y ago
  No. If things get really bad, pretty much everyone will want to fix them. And as far as temperatures go, it's not even that expensive to fix - block/reflect some of the sun at scale. Cover some deserts in cheap mirror material is probably the cheapest way to do this. USA alone can afford to do that. Things are really bad for some people already, does the things you describe start to happen when they get bad for you specifically ?
  - bufferoverflow 2y ago
    They will start to happen when things get bad on a large scale. Right now they are not bad on a large scale.
    - bamboozled 2y ago
      It's going to be too late then, we can't just pull off these massive engineering projects with crop failures in the background.
      - bufferoverflow 2y ago
        Crop failures won't just happen all at once. It's a gradual process. We will have plenty of time to react.
        bamboozled 2y ago
        How quickly do you think we can cool the Earth off to stop crop failure issues from propagating even faster, assuming we've not already trigger some pretty decent feedback loops?

bufferoverflow 2y ago

No. If things get really bad, pretty much everyone will want to fix them. And as far as temperatures go, it's not even that expensive to fix - block/reflect some of the sun at scale. Cover some deserts in cheap mirror material is probably the cheapest way to do this. USA alone can afford to do that. The expensive part is taking CO2 out of the atmosphere. But if the temperatures are back to normal (whatever "normal" we choose), then CO2 is less of an issue.

bamboozled 2y ago
No. If things get really bad, pretty much everyone will want to fix them. And as far as temperatures go, it's not even that expensive to fix - block/reflect some of the sun at scale. Cover some deserts in cheap mirror material is probably the cheapest way to do this. USA alone can afford to do that. Things are really bad for some people already, does the things you describe start to happen when they get bad for you specifically ?
- bufferoverflow 2y ago
  They will start to happen when things get bad on a large scale. Right now they are not bad on a large scale.
  - bamboozled 2y ago
    It's going to be too late then, we can't just pull off these massive engineering projects with crop failures in the background.
    - bufferoverflow 2y ago
      Crop failures won't just happen all at once. It's a gradual process. We will have plenty of time to react.
      - bamboozled 2y ago
        How quickly do you think we can cool the Earth off to stop crop failure issues from propagating even faster, assuming we've not already trigger some pretty decent feedback loops?