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The hard right takes Germany into uncharted territory

5 points by belter 2y ago

ungreased0675 2y ago
I’m curious what gets a party designated as extremist in Germany.
- Arnt 2y ago
  Opposition to some basic aspect of the state. In this case, that the police should follow orders and treat everyone equally. Which doesn't quite happen in practice, but wanting unequal treatment is a no-no.
  - Arnt 2y ago
    It's an odd election. A majority of votes went to parties that don't seem to care much about the basic cycle of politics: hold an election, vote, form a government, govern, repeat.
pinewurst 2y ago
https://archive.ph/ifF3l https://archive.ph/ifF3l
hereme888 2y ago
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- belter 2y ago
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- aguaviva 2y ago
  [Talk of] Germans against being replaced by another race and culture is called extremism? Since there's no chance this will ever actually happen, and any talk of such is basically just hysteria designed to push people's buttons, and get them to distrust their neighbors -- yes. The AfD does a whole lot of other things to fully earn the "extremist" label, BTW. Also, there are no proposals in the U.S. (from the Democrats or anyone else) for allowing non-legal residents to vote. That's just a myth.
  - defender24 2y ago
    This is my reply to the parent, hereme888, which I think is important to communicate: A lazy and insufficient take of this situation. When leaders of a political party have connections to neo-nazi groups (remember this is Germany, not the USA), and have been convicted by the courts of using Nazi symbolism during rallies[1] - you'd be a fool not to raise an eyebrow just because the political pendulum is swinging back against the wokists. It’s important to read between the lines on both sides of politics. When the AfD calls for mass deportations of migrants (“Remigration”), you need to understand that these people are saying and why they are saying it. > So protecting Germans against being replaced by another race and culture is called extremism? Demographics around the world are always changing. My partner is German, and it’s not up to your racial ideals (or the AfD’s policies) that only white people breed with white people, because that really is the message behind the “Great Replacement Theory” (to which Björn Höcke is a proponent) which is just another conspiratorial way of spouting white-supremacy. If you wanted to talk about protecting a culture, and not race, then I would agree with you. Migration should always be controlled and be heavily balanced with cultural integration, to maintain cultural cohesion. [1] - https://www.dw.com/en/afds-bj%C3%B6rn-h%C3%B6cke-a-fascist-wins-election-in-thuringia/a-67990287 https://www.dw.com/en/afds-bj%C3%B6rn-h%C3%B6cke-a-fascist-w...
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5 points by belter 2y ago

ungreased0675 2y ago

I’m curious what gets a party designated as extremist in Germany.

Arnt 2y ago
Opposition to some basic aspect of the state. In this case, that the police should follow orders and treat everyone equally. Which doesn't quite happen in practice, but wanting unequal treatment is a no-no.
- Arnt 2y ago
  It's an odd election. A majority of votes went to parties that don't seem to care much about the basic cycle of politics: hold an election, vote, form a government, govern, repeat.

pinewurst 2y ago

https://archive.ph/ifF3l https://archive.ph/ifF3l

hereme888 2y ago

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belter 2y ago
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- hereme888 2y ago
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aguaviva 2y ago
[Talk of] Germans against being replaced by another race and culture is called extremism? Since there's no chance this will ever actually happen, and any talk of such is basically just hysteria designed to push people's buttons, and get them to distrust their neighbors -- yes. The AfD does a whole lot of other things to fully earn the "extremist" label, BTW. Also, there are no proposals in the U.S. (from the Democrats or anyone else) for allowing non-legal residents to vote. That's just a myth.
- defender24 2y ago
  This is my reply to the parent, hereme888, which I think is important to communicate: A lazy and insufficient take of this situation. When leaders of a political party have connections to neo-nazi groups (remember this is Germany, not the USA), and have been convicted by the courts of using Nazi symbolism during rallies[1] - you'd be a fool not to raise an eyebrow just because the political pendulum is swinging back against the wokists. It’s important to read between the lines on both sides of politics. When the AfD calls for mass deportations of migrants (“Remigration”), you need to understand that these people are saying and why they are saying it. > So protecting Germans against being replaced by another race and culture is called extremism? Demographics around the world are always changing. My partner is German, and it’s not up to your racial ideals (or the AfD’s policies) that only white people breed with white people, because that really is the message behind the “Great Replacement Theory” (to which Björn Höcke is a proponent) which is just another conspiratorial way of spouting white-supremacy. If you wanted to talk about protecting a culture, and not race, then I would agree with you. Migration should always be controlled and be heavily balanced with cultural integration, to maintain cultural cohesion. [1] - https://www.dw.com/en/afds-bj%C3%B6rn-h%C3%B6cke-a-fascist-wins-election-in-thuringia/a-67990287 https://www.dw.com/en/afds-bj%C3%B6rn-h%C3%B6cke-a-fascist-w...
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