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Does decriminalization work in a context like that of a US state where there's no control over borders?

Dalewyn 2y ago
States can control their borders so long as they don't trespass Congress's sole authority to regulate interstate commerce. California is the most famous example, with checkpoints at all road entryways to check for and control entrance of raw produce. Oregon likewise has checkpoints to check incoming watercraft for waterborne pests. I'm sure truckers can also tell you all about the various trailer regulations that vary between states, not to mention the weigh stations most states have at border crossings.
- vlovich123 2y ago
  > California is the most famous example, with checkpoints at all road entryways to check for and control entrance of raw produce As someone who has crossed that border many times in Tahoe, enforcement a) relies on the honesty from the people in the car b) runs seemingly randomly (ie more than half the time there is no checkpoint c) even when running enforcement is applied selectively based on whether you have California plates or not. I think OP is probably talking about the practical effect of success of trying to control state borders effectively vs what you see which may be mostly for show / best effort. Of course you may be replying to “mass scale” smuggling vs what independent people may try to smuggle.
- tiltowait 2y ago
  Pretty sure it’s not at every border crossing. The one by Tahoe is “famous”, but I don’t think there’s one if you cross over via 182. At least I don’t remember one last time I did so.
- ahmedfromtunis 2y ago
  Thanks for the clarification, I've never heard about US states controlling their borders before. But I guess the level of scrutiny is way laxer than that at international borders. My point was how effective would be a policy like the one instituted by Oregon be, when the state can't effectively control the flow of drugs? Wouldn't any progress be offset by "leaky" borders and the free flow of people?
  - CodeWriter23 2y ago
    I’ve traveled out of CA 6 times since 2021. This is a California checkpoint: Slow down for the inspection point. Approach the officers. Mostly they just waved me through without checking anything except maybe my license plate with a smart camera. Once they asked me if I had any fruit or agricultural products. One time I answered yes and handed over some apples and said “thank you” and was waved through. It is nothing at all like a “border”.
anon291 2y ago
So states can have borders. The California border is notoriously monitored and they will make you do a full customs inspection sometimes and toss contraband.

States can control their borders so long as they don't trespass Congress's sole authority to regulate interstate commerce. California is the most famous example, with checkpoints at all road entryways to check for and control entrance of raw produce. Oregon likewise has checkpoints to check incoming watercraft for waterborne pests. I'm sure truckers can also tell you all about the various trailer regulations that vary between states, not to mention the weigh stations most states have at border crossings.

vlovich123 2y ago
> California is the most famous example, with checkpoints at all road entryways to check for and control entrance of raw produce As someone who has crossed that border many times in Tahoe, enforcement a) relies on the honesty from the people in the car b) runs seemingly randomly (ie more than half the time there is no checkpoint c) even when running enforcement is applied selectively based on whether you have California plates or not. I think OP is probably talking about the practical effect of success of trying to control state borders effectively vs what you see which may be mostly for show / best effort. Of course you may be replying to “mass scale” smuggling vs what independent people may try to smuggle.
tiltowait 2y ago
Pretty sure it’s not at every border crossing. The one by Tahoe is “famous”, but I don’t think there’s one if you cross over via 182. At least I don’t remember one last time I did so.
ahmedfromtunis 2y ago
Thanks for the clarification, I've never heard about US states controlling their borders before. But I guess the level of scrutiny is way laxer than that at international borders. My point was how effective would be a policy like the one instituted by Oregon be, when the state can't effectively control the flow of drugs? Wouldn't any progress be offset by "leaky" borders and the free flow of people?
- CodeWriter23 2y ago
  I’ve traveled out of CA 6 times since 2021. This is a California checkpoint: Slow down for the inspection point. Approach the officers. Mostly they just waved me through without checking anything except maybe my license plate with a smart camera. Once they asked me if I had any fruit or agricultural products. One time I answered yes and handed over some apples and said “thank you” and was waved through. It is nothing at all like a “border”.

anon291 2y ago

So states can have borders. The California border is notoriously monitored and they will make you do a full customs inspection sometimes and toss contraband.