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As someone who regularly drives on German highways, including the Autobahn, I may ad my two cents. While German drivers are often praised for their discipline,

As someone who regularly drives on German highways, including the Autobahn, I may ad my two cents. While German drivers are often praised for their discipline, the reality I've observed, especially in unlimited speed sections of the Autobahn, can be quite different. Many drivers there seem to focus primarily on their perceived right to drive as fast as they want, often creating dangerous situations for others who may be able to or want to drive as fast and thus often not have time to react. I've witnessed numerous close calls and risky maneuvers that don't align with the idealized view of German driving discipline. That said, the significant difference in road fatality rates between Germany and the US suggests there are indeed factors contributing to safer roads in Germany. However, from my experience, it's not simply due to more careful drivers across the board. Other elements like road design, vehicle safety standards, strict enforcement of traffic laws, and comprehensive driver education systems likely play crucial roles, see the pathway to a german drivers license which includes about 9 hours of practice training with a driving instructor. Rather than looking abroad for examples of driver behavior, it might be more productive for the US to focus on improving road safety through comprehensive measures. This could include enhancing driver education, implementing stricter enforcement of existing traffic laws, and investing in safer road infrastructure. The goal should be to create a system that encourages and facilitates safer driving for everyone, regardless of individual driver attitudes. While there's certainly room for improvement in American driving habits, the solution likely lies in systemic changes rather than simply emulating perceived behaviors from other countries.

kwhitefoot 2y ago
> the reality I've observed, especially in unlimited speed sections of the Autobahn, can be quite different. My experience is that it depends on where in Germany you are. I drove from France to Norway this week so I went through northern Germany and the autobahn was great, where it wasn't restricted because of the more or less permanent roadworks that is. I drive on Tesla Autopilot when I can which has a maximum speed of 150 kph and only once in the 600 km from Venlo to Flensburg did I notice someone get too close behind me even though many were travelling considerably faster. It's a different story further south around Munich for instance. I agree though that road safety in Europe has a lot to do with road design, vehicle standards, maintenance, driver education, etc.
- AstralJaeger 2y ago
  I fully agree on that, I'm mostly travelling through the south of germany, think Salzburg to Kufstein, and that route is terrible, including the pavement.
dham 2y ago
If you drove 150 MPH on an American road you would end up 100 yards into the woods flipping over 90 times, after hitting 1 of 65 potholes that are 4 feet deep on the interstate.
- creer 2y ago
  That would be a poor excuse for just a few cars driving scattered across 6 lanes to make sure to block the whole thing. It's not always about driving much faster.
abenga 2y ago
> comprehensive driver education systems What are they learning, other than (at least partly) discipline and ways to be safer?
- creer 2y ago
  Americans wouldn't even understand the meaning of "discipline". "Lane discipline" for example - paying attention to what lane you are in and for what reason. Minimizing your use of left-more lanes for whoever might want to drive past you; paying attention to who has the right of way in the right-most lane, while not blocking people from entering or exiting. But for a specific example, many Americans are let loose with a driver's license but scared of entering or exiting a freeway. When it's just about impossible to drive in the US without using freeways. (They are scared for good reason considering their lack of practice and understanding of how that works.)
CRConrad 2y ago
> However, from my experience, it's not simply due to more careful drivers across the board. Other elements like road design, vehicle safety standards, strict enforcement of traffic laws, and comprehensive driver education systems likely play crucial roles I would think elements like strict enforcement of traffic laws and comprehensive driver education systems likely play crucial roles by... leading to more careful drivers across the board.

kwhitefoot 2y ago

> the reality I've observed, especially in unlimited speed sections of the Autobahn, can be quite different. My experience is that it depends on where in Germany you are. I drove from France to Norway this week so I went through northern Germany and the autobahn was great, where it wasn't restricted because of the more or less permanent roadworks that is. I drive on Tesla Autopilot when I can which has a maximum speed of 150 kph and only once in the 600 km from Venlo to Flensburg did I notice someone get too close behind me even though many were travelling considerably faster. It's a different story further south around Munich for instance. I agree though that road safety in Europe has a lot to do with road design, vehicle standards, maintenance, driver education, etc.

AstralJaeger 2y ago
I fully agree on that, I'm mostly travelling through the south of germany, think Salzburg to Kufstein, and that route is terrible, including the pavement.

dham 2y ago

If you drove 150 MPH on an American road you would end up 100 yards into the woods flipping over 90 times, after hitting 1 of 65 potholes that are 4 feet deep on the interstate.

creer 2y ago
That would be a poor excuse for just a few cars driving scattered across 6 lanes to make sure to block the whole thing. It's not always about driving much faster.

abenga 2y ago

> comprehensive driver education systems What are they learning, other than (at least partly) discipline and ways to be safer?

creer 2y ago
Americans wouldn't even understand the meaning of "discipline". "Lane discipline" for example - paying attention to what lane you are in and for what reason. Minimizing your use of left-more lanes for whoever might want to drive past you; paying attention to who has the right of way in the right-most lane, while not blocking people from entering or exiting. But for a specific example, many Americans are let loose with a driver's license but scared of entering or exiting a freeway. When it's just about impossible to drive in the US without using freeways. (They are scared for good reason considering their lack of practice and understanding of how that works.)

CRConrad 2y ago

> However, from my experience, it's not simply due to more careful drivers across the board. Other elements like road design, vehicle safety standards, strict enforcement of traffic laws, and comprehensive driver education systems likely play crucial roles I would think elements like strict enforcement of traffic laws and comprehensive driver education systems likely play crucial roles by... leading to more careful drivers across the board.