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> People should be walking or cycling around town. This. Is a very out of touch opinion. I could write 20 paragraphs disagreeing, but I doubt it is worth my ti

by dgfitz 2y ago

> People should be walking or cycling around town. This. Is a very out of touch opinion. I could write 20 paragraphs disagreeing, but I doubt it is worth my time to write or anyone else’s to read. Not every person is able-bodied enough to walk and bike. Also, people happen to need to get from A to B when it is cold, dark, raining, extremely hot, snowing, or just some kind of shitty outside. People need to drive to a store for food or supplies that cannot be carried or biked back to the destination. People have multiple children that simply cannot walk or bike. Old people cannot simply walk or bike. This concept of a car-less world is just so completely out of touch with reality, saying it louder isn’t going to change anything.

globular-toast 2y ago
So you think most people are incapable of walking or cycling? And you're saying I'm out of touch?! As for cold, dark, raining. Boo fucking hoo. If you had to go somewhere you'd deal with it. Cars have made people into weak, incapable little creatures. It's honestly pathetic. I cycle with food and supplies in my panniers all the time. What exactly are you buying every week that can't be transported back without fossil fuel assistance? You don't think children can walk or bike? Are you crazy? A healthy child doesn't want to sit still. They're capable of locomotion from about age 3. Old people can get around too. Sure there are some who can't but it's not a majority. Again, cars have taught us this helplessness. I just wish I could take car people outside of their reality for just a week or so. Once you see it from the outside it's so apparent. But I guess some people aren't ready to leave the Matrix. And some will fight to protect it.
- dgfitz 2y ago
  > As for cold, dark, raining. Boo fucking hoo. If you had to go somewhere you'd deal with it. Cars have made people into weak, incapable little creatures. It's honestly pathetic. You clearly have no respect for Mother Nature if this is your stance. Take care.
  - globular-toast 2y ago
    I do, so when I'm in the mountains I check the forecast and keep an eye on the weather. But when I'm in town? You think people are getting caught out by the weather and stranded in town? Where exactly is this "town" you speak of?
    - dgfitz 2y ago
      > You think people are getting caught out by the weather and stranded in town? Maybe your issue is reading comprehension. I never suggested anything about anyone getting fucking stranded, stop putting words in my mouth.
jeffbee 2y ago
> Not every person is able-bodied enough to walk and bike This is true, but it also true that not every person is able to drive a car. In fact the inability to drive is way more common than the inability to walk.
- dgfitz 2y ago
  And the ability to be driven somewhere is ubiquitous. Cars can hold more than one person, generally.
  - globular-toast 2y ago
    Literally nobody is arguing against public transport. If you actually take the time to look into the issue you'll see it's private vehicles that are the problem. Able-bodied people using private vehicles make it significantly more difficult for those less able.
amrocha 2y ago
Alright, I'll respond. >Not every person is able-bodied enough to walk and bike And the same goes for cars, except kids can ride bikes, so car accessibility is actually just worse. >Also, people happen to need to get from A to B when it is cold, dark, raining, extremely hot, snowing, or just some kind of shitty outside You can walk or cycle in all of those conditions. In fact, I have walked or cycled in all of those conditions in the past 6 months. >People need to drive to a store for food or supplies that cannot be carried or biked back to the destination There's very little that can't be carried on a bike or public transport, but you can always rent a car for a couple hours if needed. Let's be real, that's not why 99.9% of people are driving cars. >People have multiple children that simply cannot walk or bike Where I live it's common to see mothers cycle with their kids on child seats in their bikes. >Old people cannot simply walk or bike. And a lot of them can't drive either.
- dgfitz 2y ago
  > You can walk or cycle in all of those conditions. YOU can do that, sure. You need to look past your own nose to objectively weigh in on these topics.
  - amrocha 2y ago
    The vast majority of trips are taken by foot or bicycle where I am. Statistically speaking, YOU can do it too.
    - dgfitz 2y ago
      The fuck do you think “statistically speaking” actually means? Your anecdote of 1 does not a statistic make.
      - amrocha 2y ago
        My "anecdote" is the fact that I live in Tokyo where we get extreme weather regularly and yet the vast majority of trips are taken by public transport, walking or biking.
PsylentKnight 2y ago
You really think it's not possible to buy food without a car? Classic American, claiming X thing is an impossible pie-in-the-sky dream when there are loads of other countries that do X thing just fine.
- dgfitz 2y ago
  I had groceries delivered today actually… a car drove them from the store to my home. What the fuck are you on about?
  - PsylentKnight 2y ago
    I walked to get groceries today, so I guess we're even on the anecdata In cities that aren't completely car-centric and have mixed-use development, you don't need a car to get groceries, because everything is close enough to walk. Again, plenty of countries do this just fine, proving it is not impossible.
    - dgfitz 2y ago
      Never said it was impossible. It’s not the reality that we live in. Most of the world is not a town or city of temperate climate where everything is within a half hour walk or bike ride. I will never understand how this point is just glossed over and excused away. Ignoring the boundaries of reality doesn’t make said boundaries magically go away.
      - therealdrag0 2y ago
        You seem to be assuming the way it is cannot be changed when much of the relevant factors are human choices that can be done differently. I love my car but I’m really confused why you’re so aggressive about thinking cars are the only way to live.

by dgfitz 2y ago

globular-toast 2y ago

So you think most people are incapable of walking or cycling? And you're saying I'm out of touch?! As for cold, dark, raining. Boo fucking hoo. If you had to go somewhere you'd deal with it. Cars have made people into weak, incapable little creatures. It's honestly pathetic. I cycle with food and supplies in my panniers all the time. What exactly are you buying every week that can't be transported back without fossil fuel assistance? You don't think children can walk or bike? Are you crazy? A healthy child doesn't want to sit still. They're capable of locomotion from about age 3. Old people can get around too. Sure there are some who can't but it's not a majority. Again, cars have taught us this helplessness. I just wish I could take car people outside of their reality for just a week or so. Once you see it from the outside it's so apparent. But I guess some people aren't ready to leave the Matrix. And some will fight to protect it.

dgfitz 2y ago
> As for cold, dark, raining. Boo fucking hoo. If you had to go somewhere you'd deal with it. Cars have made people into weak, incapable little creatures. It's honestly pathetic. You clearly have no respect for Mother Nature if this is your stance. Take care.
- globular-toast 2y ago
  I do, so when I'm in the mountains I check the forecast and keep an eye on the weather. But when I'm in town? You think people are getting caught out by the weather and stranded in town? Where exactly is this "town" you speak of?
  - dgfitz 2y ago
    > You think people are getting caught out by the weather and stranded in town? Maybe your issue is reading comprehension. I never suggested anything about anyone getting fucking stranded, stop putting words in my mouth.

jeffbee 2y ago

> Not every person is able-bodied enough to walk and bike This is true, but it also true that not every person is able to drive a car. In fact the inability to drive is way more common than the inability to walk.

dgfitz 2y ago
And the ability to be driven somewhere is ubiquitous. Cars can hold more than one person, generally.
- globular-toast 2y ago
  Literally nobody is arguing against public transport. If you actually take the time to look into the issue you'll see it's private vehicles that are the problem. Able-bodied people using private vehicles make it significantly more difficult for those less able.

amrocha 2y ago

Alright, I'll respond. >Not every person is able-bodied enough to walk and bike And the same goes for cars, except kids can ride bikes, so car accessibility is actually just worse. >Also, people happen to need to get from A to B when it is cold, dark, raining, extremely hot, snowing, or just some kind of shitty outside You can walk or cycle in all of those conditions. In fact, I have walked or cycled in all of those conditions in the past 6 months. >People need to drive to a store for food or supplies that cannot be carried or biked back to the destination There's very little that can't be carried on a bike or public transport, but you can always rent a car for a couple hours if needed. Let's be real, that's not why 99.9% of people are driving cars. >People have multiple children that simply cannot walk or bike Where I live it's common to see mothers cycle with their kids on child seats in their bikes. >Old people cannot simply walk or bike. And a lot of them can't drive either.

dgfitz 2y ago
> You can walk or cycle in all of those conditions. YOU can do that, sure. You need to look past your own nose to objectively weigh in on these topics.
- amrocha 2y ago
  The vast majority of trips are taken by foot or bicycle where I am. Statistically speaking, YOU can do it too.
  - dgfitz 2y ago
    The fuck do you think “statistically speaking” actually means? Your anecdote of 1 does not a statistic make.
    - amrocha 2y ago
      My "anecdote" is the fact that I live in Tokyo where we get extreme weather regularly and yet the vast majority of trips are taken by public transport, walking or biking.

PsylentKnight 2y ago

You really think it's not possible to buy food without a car? Classic American, claiming X thing is an impossible pie-in-the-sky dream when there are loads of other countries that do X thing just fine.

dgfitz 2y ago
I had groceries delivered today actually… a car drove them from the store to my home. What the fuck are you on about?
- PsylentKnight 2y ago
  I walked to get groceries today, so I guess we're even on the anecdata In cities that aren't completely car-centric and have mixed-use development, you don't need a car to get groceries, because everything is close enough to walk. Again, plenty of countries do this just fine, proving it is not impossible.
  - dgfitz 2y ago
    Never said it was impossible. It’s not the reality that we live in. Most of the world is not a town or city of temperate climate where everything is within a half hour walk or bike ride. I will never understand how this point is just glossed over and excused away. Ignoring the boundaries of reality doesn’t make said boundaries magically go away.
    - therealdrag0 2y ago
      You seem to be assuming the way it is cannot be changed when much of the relevant factors are human choices that can be done differently. I love my car but I’m really confused why you’re so aggressive about thinking cars are the only way to live.