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I think this all goes back to the fact that wages are stagnant for most of the world, and companies don't foster employees anymore. You need to cultivate exper

I think this all goes back to the fact that wages are stagnant for most of the world, and companies don't foster employees anymore. You need to cultivate experience in workers sometimes, especially if you have a complex system in place. Employees have no loyalty anymore, because of the cutting of benefits and wages. Employers have no loyal employees anymore, which means they require 3 to 5 years experience to give them some return on hiring said employee. Students are having a hard time finding work, because Employers are requiring this experience. Employers have a skills gap, because they can't hire Students to fill the gap, because they'd just quit before giving some return (loyalty). I think I'm starting to see the clusterfuck caused by limiting compensation and benefits...

ep103 14y ago
I'm just an employee, but if you want to gain my loyalty, just throw some benefits and wages at me. Cycle avoided.
- pcopley 14y ago
  Just like that.
- tokenizer 14y ago
  I absolutely agree. It all starts with an appreciation of what you do for me; which is you come in to work every day, and work for me. I can count on you, but in return, I have to give you peace of mind, and a competitive salary. Most companies have altogether made it clear that no job is stable, and competitive salaries continue to shrink...
scarmig 14y ago
"Most of the world"? Lets not overstate things: the past few decades have been relatively great for labor in China, India, Africa, Indonesia, and Latin America. In the highly developed economies (particularly the USA), yeah, wages have frozen, but really good things have been happening elsewhere.
- tokenizer 14y ago
  Fair enough. I can't retract the original statement, but I meant OECD countries.
toyg 14y ago
It's another facet of the short-sighted, WallStreet-induced culture where the only things that matter are quarter profits and share prices, and where a manager who remains in the same position for two years is branded a loser. The pressure is on cutting costs now and raise profits now and to hell with tomorrow, by the time a new employee is fully trained chances are that the manager who hired him is gone, probably following the CEO.
gutnor 14y ago
It is not really cutting the benefits and wages that affect loyalty. Seeing my parent generation, they all understood that there were good and bad time in a company and that sometimes you needed to work for the greater good (of the company). The major difference, they had their job for life. Now you are a despised resource. If you are not in sales, you are a "cost center". A previous boss of mine, during a company meeting QA summarized it like that: "Q: Are you thinking about outsourcing our project X dev team ? A: There is no immediate plan, however we are a development company, and we are continuously investigating outsourcing opportunities to stay competitive." That is something that the new generation know very well: you current job is only training for the next one.
- tokenizer 14y ago
  And that's the way you have to be! Unfortunately both sides a reinforcing the other side to remain steadfast. But only the companies can make the first move towards what we had before. I would have no problem staying loyal to a company under a different set of circumstances.

ep103 14y ago

I'm just an employee, but if you want to gain my loyalty, just throw some benefits and wages at me. Cycle avoided.

pcopley 14y ago
Just like that.
tokenizer 14y ago
I absolutely agree. It all starts with an appreciation of what you do for me; which is you come in to work every day, and work for me. I can count on you, but in return, I have to give you peace of mind, and a competitive salary. Most companies have altogether made it clear that no job is stable, and competitive salaries continue to shrink...

scarmig 14y ago

"Most of the world"? Lets not overstate things: the past few decades have been relatively great for labor in China, India, Africa, Indonesia, and Latin America. In the highly developed economies (particularly the USA), yeah, wages have frozen, but really good things have been happening elsewhere.

tokenizer 14y ago
Fair enough. I can't retract the original statement, but I meant OECD countries.

toyg 14y ago

It's another facet of the short-sighted, WallStreet-induced culture where the only things that matter are quarter profits and share prices, and where a manager who remains in the same position for two years is branded a loser. The pressure is on cutting costs now and raise profits now and to hell with tomorrow, by the time a new employee is fully trained chances are that the manager who hired him is gone, probably following the CEO.

gutnor 14y ago

It is not really cutting the benefits and wages that affect loyalty. Seeing my parent generation, they all understood that there were good and bad time in a company and that sometimes you needed to work for the greater good (of the company). The major difference, they had their job for life. Now you are a despised resource. If you are not in sales, you are a "cost center". A previous boss of mine, during a company meeting QA summarized it like that: "Q: Are you thinking about outsourcing our project X dev team ? A: There is no immediate plan, however we are a development company, and we are continuously investigating outsourcing opportunities to stay competitive." That is something that the new generation know very well: you current job is only training for the next one.

tokenizer 14y ago
And that's the way you have to be! Unfortunately both sides a reinforcing the other side to remain steadfast. But only the companies can make the first move towards what we had before. I would have no problem staying loyal to a company under a different set of circumstances.