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It seems that properly grounding speakers is a challenge even for NASA/SpaceX. Edit: I somehow wrote SpaceX even though I knew Starliner is made by Boeing. The
by m_a_g 2y ago
It seems that properly grounding speakers is a challenge even for NASA/SpaceX.
Edit: I somehow wrote SpaceX even though I knew Starliner is made by Boeing. The news related to X being blocked in Brazil confused me probably…
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- sebmellen 2y agoStarliner is made by Boeing.
- readthenotes1 2y agoBoeing. SpaceX had nothing to do with StarLiner
- dcow 2y agoReal question… how do you “ground” electrical in a space craft? There’s no earth. Large capacitors or something? Or do you just have to live with a floating ground (literally)?
- schiffern 2y agoThe latter, much the same as the "ground" in an automobile or airplane (or even just any old battery-operated device). "Ground" is an arbitrarily-chosen voltage convention. In space the floating ground won't cause a fault because there's never an electrical circuit with both the floating ground and the 'real' ground. EDIT: turns out the ISS is a bit more complicated than that, and it also has a "grounding strap" that connects to the local plasma. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41417136 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41417136
- verzali 2y agoYou do need to take some care when docking, however.
- 486sx33 2y agoIndeed cars, airplanes, boats, all have “grounds” that are not “earthed” in any way. Fun tidbit, old English cars (and the original Ford Model A!) used to tie positive DC to the frame rail as a “ground” or “common” instead of the negative DC. They are referred to as positive ground cars (and tractors!) https://www.restore-an-old-car.com/positive-ground-cars.html https://www.restore-an-old-car.com/positive-ground-cars.html
- imoverclocked 2y agoThere are modern cars that do this still. One needs to be careful when connecting jumper cables for this reason.
- yason 2y agoWhich modern cars, for example? As far as I know the era of positive ground vehicles ended roughly during the fifties, and very much by the sixties at the latest.
- imoverclocked 2y agoHmm, I stand corrected… and maybe aged a little. I have a memory of having to care about this many years ago :-/
- ultrarunner 2y agoAirplanes do have static wicks [0] which could be seen as a form of local ground. I love these as an example of the adjacent engineering challenges that arise. Busses also (used to?) have ground straps that you may see dragging. Apparently this was somewhat common on cars as well. "bus ground strap" is unsurprisingly difficult to search for, but I did find a discussion on Quora [1] that claims rubber formulations were responsible for vehicles picking up a static charge. All of this is interesting once seen as an attempt to remove the potential difference between local "ground" and ambient environment. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Static_wick https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Static_wick [1] https://www.quora.com/Cars-used-to-have-grounding-straps-hanging-from-the-back-dragging-over-the-road-What-was-the-use-and-why-are-they-no-more-used https://www.quora.com/Cars-used-to-have-grounding-straps-han...
- HPsquared 2y agoSame as an aircraft or car. The chassis is the ground. (Edit: as in, the "ground" is the chassis)
- mglz 2y agoNASA has a handbook on it: https://s3vi.ndc.nasa.gov/ssri-kb/static/resources/NASA-HDBK-4001.pdf https://s3vi.ndc.nasa.gov/ssri-kb/static/resources/NASA-HDBK... Apparently you attach all grounds to some common component, like the chassis and then you have a zero volt reference. As long as it is stable and the relative voltages to it are consistent, that should suffice for electrical systems. Handling overall charge of the craft might be a bigger challenge, but no idea how that would be handled.
- dotancohen 2y agoHow are docking spacecraft handled, which likely have a different base charge?
- ceejayoz 2y agoVenting xenon plasma. (Also important for not frying astronauts on spacewalks.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_contactor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_contactor
- RandomThoughts3 2y agoProtective actions are required by the docking standard so it’s taken care of at docking but I find it very hard to find detailed information about implementations. It’s either very niche or considered sensitive enough to not be published widely. I guess they use the same solution than during EVA which is running the Plasma Contactor Units to dissipate any buildup.
- schiffern 2y agoThe docking spacecraft must follow a NASA standard[1] to avoid building up electrostatic charge. From the Commercial Crew requirements document[2]: 3.9.3.13 Integrated Space Vehicle Electrostatic Charge Control 3.9.3.13.1 LEO Charging Design Standard The spacecraft shall meet the intent of the requirements contained in NASA-STD-4005, Low Earth Orbit Spacecraft Charging Design Standard. [R.CTS.285] How the contractors achieve that might be proprietary. It looks like (at one time) SpaceX used electrically conductive paint[3] as part of their mitigations. [1] https://standards.nasa.gov/standard/NASA/NASA-STD-4005 https://standards.nasa.gov/standard/NASA/NASA-STD-4005 [2] https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20150010757/downloads/20150010757.pdf https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20150010757/downloads/20... [3] https://phys.org/news/2013-03-white-coating-spacex-dragon-trunk.html https://phys.org/news/2013-03-white-coating-spacex-dragon-tr...
- dylan604 2y agoAt least it's not there's no Earth. I think we've seen that movie where Earth disappears from the space station. I would assume everything on ISS and capsules are running DC. Does DC need a ground? Every electronic circuit I've built just uses ground as the common leg to battery or power.
- lindboe 2y agoFun fact: it's very difficult to get rid of built-up charge in space. And guess what incident EM radiation does to your electronics: that's right, it can build up charge! To my understanding, this is especially a problem when charge is built up in specific dielectrics/insulators or the very delicate structures of modern transistors and other semiconductor devices. This so-called "total ionizing dose" [1] can lead to "leakage currents, degrade the gain of a device, affect timing characteristics, and, in some cases, result in complete functional failure" [2]. Any RF or EMC engineer will tell you that ground is a dirty word, especially in extreme conditions. There's no one-size-fits-all approach, since so much depends on the physical context. [1] https://radhome.gsfc.nasa.gov/radhome/tid.htm https://radhome.gsfc.nasa.gov/radhome/tid.htm [2] https://www.analog.com/en/signals/thought-leadership/challenges-for-electronic-circuits-in-space-applications.html https://www.analog.com/en/signals/thought-leadership/challen...
- charliebwrites 2y agoThis is the _Boeing_ Starliner SpaceX has nothing to do with it https://www.boeing.com/space/starliner https://www.boeing.com/space/starliner