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> this is exactly the kind of job where a laptop is more efficient You are correct, but I think efforts like this are an important part of discovering how we c

> this is exactly the kind of job where a laptop is more efficient You are correct, but I think efforts like this are an important part of discovering how we can make the tablet form factor useful for more types of productivity. Software design is an evolutionary process, and I think professional tablet software is still pretty stunted in that department. Largely down to Apple's endless resistance against allowing the iPad to be used as a computer rather than a media appliance. The more stuff we get like this, the sooner we can collectively work out how to work around the shortcomings (no guaranteed keyboard, poor feature discoverability of touch-first UIs) and lean into the positives (handheld, ultraportable, direct manipulation). It's crazy that we've had the iPad for 14 years and tablet computers in general much longer than that but we seemingly still haven't worked it out yet. It still feels like the only options are scaled up phone software (iOS, Android) or desktop software with a touch layer awkwardly bolted on (Windows).

skeeter2020 2y ago
>> It's crazy that we've had the iPad for 14 years and tablet computers in general much longer than that but we seemingly still haven't worked it out yet. Maybe there's nothing to work out? At least for activities like this
- runevault 2y ago
  There may not be, but unless it is attempted seriously do we actually know? Is the current local maxima near the global one or are we a long ways off? I have no idea, but I can't assume we are already there just because my imagination can't come up with a better solution.
- dagmx 2y ago
  People said that for photoshop and then procreate took over a big chunk of the market. Similarly people said that for desktop sculpting but many artists now use Nomad, plus there’s ZBrush for iPad coming out. How do you we know it’s not worth working out unless someone tries? And even if it doesn’t work out, just look at some of the UI learnings here that could be valuable to apply backwards.
  - epcoa 2y ago
    People for years buy add on tablets as a peripheral for many types of graphics work, so the device is already a global maximum for certain types of work. No and low code solutions aside, anytime you’re bringing a keyboard in the mix the tablet has already lost.
    - dagmx 2y ago
      Why is that your criteria? That feels arbitrary unless it’s a required interaction model. Did phones with styluses mean they’d lost? It’s an optional, removable attachment.
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mihaaly 2y ago
For me getting the task done - produce something valuable - would be more important than trying to validate the usefuleness of some hardware for some edge case that seen unimportant by the vendor (and probably for enough of reasons, considering the inherent and listed above limitations not too vendor specific). When there is a suitable device for that use already, for long. Good game though for fun.

skeeter2020 2y ago

>> It's crazy that we've had the iPad for 14 years and tablet computers in general much longer than that but we seemingly still haven't worked it out yet. Maybe there's nothing to work out? At least for activities like this

runevault 2y ago
There may not be, but unless it is attempted seriously do we actually know? Is the current local maxima near the global one or are we a long ways off? I have no idea, but I can't assume we are already there just because my imagination can't come up with a better solution.
dagmx 2y ago
People said that for photoshop and then procreate took over a big chunk of the market. Similarly people said that for desktop sculpting but many artists now use Nomad, plus there’s ZBrush for iPad coming out. How do you we know it’s not worth working out unless someone tries? And even if it doesn’t work out, just look at some of the UI learnings here that could be valuable to apply backwards.
- epcoa 2y ago
  People for years buy add on tablets as a peripheral for many types of graphics work, so the device is already a global maximum for certain types of work. No and low code solutions aside, anytime you’re bringing a keyboard in the mix the tablet has already lost.
  - dagmx 2y ago
    Why is that your criteria? That feels arbitrary unless it’s a required interaction model. Did phones with styluses mean they’d lost? It’s an optional, removable attachment.
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mihaaly 2y ago

For me getting the task done - produce something valuable - would be more important than trying to validate the usefuleness of some hardware for some edge case that seen unimportant by the vendor (and probably for enough of reasons, considering the inherent and listed above limitations not too vendor specific). When there is a suitable device for that use already, for long. Good game though for fun.