> Ie when in Eastern Europe communism and central planning failed I am not saying central planning is a cure all. Trying a bad economic system with any kind of

> Ie when in Eastern Europe communism and central planning failed I am not saying central planning is a cure all. Trying a bad economic system with any kind of planning will fail. > Maybe but its doesn't work in democracies well. Correct, in the absence of strong top down rule (whether democracy or not), social changes are just going to be very slow (this doesn't mean strong top down rule will result in good changes, just that otherwise it is slow). The US needed a civil war to abolish slavery and two world wars for many other social changes (similar to most of western Europe). I am not saying A or B is better. But without central planning the chances of any big cultural changes in Sudan type countries happening in the next 50 or even 100 years is very remote.