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>It is official: for only the third time in the past 20 years, the un has declared a full-blown famine. Looking into this, it's because the UN will only declar

>It is official: for only the third time in the past 20 years, the un has declared a full-blown famine. Looking into this, it's because the UN will only declare a famine if there's no functioning government. If there is one, they have the government declare a famine. Presumably that's why the UN declared a famine at the refugee camp, not the country or region. This story from last month discusses this aspect. https://www.npr.org/sections/goats-and-soda/2024/08/21/g-s1-18004/famine-hunger-sudan-united-nations-food-insecurity https://www.npr.org/sections/goats-and-soda/2024/08/21/g-s1-...

Narretz 2y ago
As per the submitted article, famine is also only declared in the refugee "camp" (which houses about 500.000 people as per this article https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqv5nvq69lwo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqv5nvq69lwo) because the UN doesn't have enough information about other parts of the country.
begueradj 2y ago
The article you linked to says famine was declared in Sudan on 2017. But the situation on 2017 is different from nowadays (to keep it short, at least on 2017, Sudan had a president, and that means a lot in such a country)
- sofixa 2y ago
  > to keep it short, at least on 2017, Sudan had a president, and that means a lot in such a country Importantly, he's the shit stain most responsible for the current situation. He was your traditional shitty dictator for a few decades but went further - incited a genocide, created a two power structure system (army and a militia, headed by two men that hate each other) to ensure the army isn't strong enough to overthrow him. Well they both worked together to overthrow him, surrendered him to the ICC, and have been at a civil war with bonus genocide ever since.
moffkalast 2y ago
"I just wanted you to know that you can't just say the word "famine" and expect anything to happen." UN: "I didn't say it. I declared it."
dredmorbius 2y ago
NYT ran a recent 'splainer on the who and why of declaring famines as well: Food insecurity experts working on the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification, or I.P.C., an initiative controlled by U.N. bodies and major relief agencies, identify a famine in an area on the basis of three conditions: 1. At least 20 percent of households face an extreme lack of food. 2. At least 30 percent of children suffer from acute malnutrition. 3. At least two adults or four children for every 10,000 people die each day from starvation or disease linked to malnutrition. <https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/25/world/middleeast/what-is-famine.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/25/world/middleeast/what-is-...> Archive / paywall: <https://archive.is/Hf5f5 https://archive.is/Hf5f5> The classification was created in 2004, and has been used to identify two famines: Somalia (2011) and South Sudan (2017).

Narretz 2y ago

As per the submitted article, famine is also only declared in the refugee "camp" (which houses about 500.000 people as per this article https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqv5nvq69lwo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqv5nvq69lwo) because the UN doesn't have enough information about other parts of the country.

begueradj 2y ago

The article you linked to says famine was declared in Sudan on 2017. But the situation on 2017 is different from nowadays (to keep it short, at least on 2017, Sudan had a president, and that means a lot in such a country)

sofixa 2y ago
> to keep it short, at least on 2017, Sudan had a president, and that means a lot in such a country Importantly, he's the shit stain most responsible for the current situation. He was your traditional shitty dictator for a few decades but went further - incited a genocide, created a two power structure system (army and a militia, headed by two men that hate each other) to ensure the army isn't strong enough to overthrow him. Well they both worked together to overthrow him, surrendered him to the ICC, and have been at a civil war with bonus genocide ever since.

moffkalast 2y ago

"I just wanted you to know that you can't just say the word "famine" and expect anything to happen." UN: "I didn't say it. I declared it."

dredmorbius 2y ago

NYT ran a recent 'splainer on the who and why of declaring famines as well: Food insecurity experts working on the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification, or I.P.C., an initiative controlled by U.N. bodies and major relief agencies, identify a famine in an area on the basis of three conditions: 1. At least 20 percent of households face an extreme lack of food. 2. At least 30 percent of children suffer from acute malnutrition. 3. At least two adults or four children for every 10,000 people die each day from starvation or disease linked to malnutrition. <https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/25/world/middleeast/what-is-famine.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/25/world/middleeast/what-is-...> Archive / paywall: <https://archive.is/Hf5f5 https://archive.is/Hf5f5> The classification was created in 2004, and has been used to identify two famines: Somalia (2011) and South Sudan (2017).