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They have been independent since 1956. Other (majority non-European) British colonies/protectorates as diverse as Singapore (ind. 1965), Belize (ind. 1981), Ind

They have been independent since 1956. Other (majority non-European) British colonies/protectorates as diverse as Singapore (ind. 1965), Belize (ind. 1981), India (ind. 1947) and UAE (ind. 1971) managed to build peaceful societies. We need to recognize that the people of countries like Sudan are not children who don't know any better, contrary to European leftists' views. They are fully functioning adults who made a series of choices that led to the present situation.

bogle 2y ago
I don't think India is a great example here. The Partition of India in 1947 resulted in over 1 million deaths.
- dartharva 2y ago
  That was before the country got its own constitution and had formed its national identity.
  - bogle 2y ago
    Not relevant as the partition was outlined in the Indian Independence Act 1947 which created the constitutions. The Act was agreed upon by the legislature representatives of the Indian National Congress, the Muslim League, and the Sikh community with Lord Mountbatten. The point stands that decolonisation was a mess and the colonisers played a large part in it.
    - odux 2y ago
      I think the point is in spite of decolonization being orders of magnitude more messy countries like India have established fully functioning peaceful societies.
- richbell 2y ago
  On that note, reading about Bangladesh's split from Pakistan was gut wrenching. So much senseless violence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_genocide
bogle 2y ago
On gaining independence in 1956 Sudan endured two civil wars with up to a million deaths in the first civil war and between one and two million deaths in the second civil war. Colonial governments like the British often (almost always) left a mess behind them.
Tade0 2y ago
> We need to recognize that the people of countries like Sudan are not children Nitpicking here, but Sudan specifically only passed the median population age of 18 in the 2020s.
infrawhispers 2y ago
Comparing Sudan to Singapore, India and the UAE is comical. This level of analysis on HackerNews, that ignores the realities of how different countries evolve / are influenced is why we cannot have an honest conversation.
- cherryteastain 2y ago
  Please enlighten us why it's comical. Economically, Sudan was richer per capita than India in 1960 and even as recently as 2017 [1][2]. It had, and still has, a more homogeneous population ethnically and linguistically. Yet India manages to keep things mostly calm while Sudan can't. [1] https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=sudan+nominal+gdp+per+capita+1956-2023 https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=sudan+nominal+gdp+per+c... [2] https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=india+nominal+gdp+per+capita+1956-2023 https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=india+nominal+gdp+per+c...

bogle 2y ago

I don't think India is a great example here. The Partition of India in 1947 resulted in over 1 million deaths.

dartharva 2y ago
That was before the country got its own constitution and had formed its national identity.
- bogle 2y ago
  Not relevant as the partition was outlined in the Indian Independence Act 1947 which created the constitutions. The Act was agreed upon by the legislature representatives of the Indian National Congress, the Muslim League, and the Sikh community with Lord Mountbatten. The point stands that decolonisation was a mess and the colonisers played a large part in it.
  - odux 2y ago
    I think the point is in spite of decolonization being orders of magnitude more messy countries like India have established fully functioning peaceful societies.
richbell 2y ago
On that note, reading about Bangladesh's split from Pakistan was gut wrenching. So much senseless violence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_genocide

bogle 2y ago

On gaining independence in 1956 Sudan endured two civil wars with up to a million deaths in the first civil war and between one and two million deaths in the second civil war. Colonial governments like the British often (almost always) left a mess behind them.

Tade0 2y ago

> We need to recognize that the people of countries like Sudan are not children Nitpicking here, but Sudan specifically only passed the median population age of 18 in the 2020s.

infrawhispers 2y ago

Comparing Sudan to Singapore, India and the UAE is comical. This level of analysis on HackerNews, that ignores the realities of how different countries evolve / are influenced is why we cannot have an honest conversation.

cherryteastain 2y ago
Please enlighten us why it's comical. Economically, Sudan was richer per capita than India in 1960 and even as recently as 2017 [1][2]. It had, and still has, a more homogeneous population ethnically and linguistically. Yet India manages to keep things mostly calm while Sudan can't. [1] https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=sudan+nominal+gdp+per+capita+1956-2023 https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=sudan+nominal+gdp+per+c... [2] https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=india+nominal+gdp+per+capita+1956-2023 https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=india+nominal+gdp+per+c...