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Ah yes, blame the lack of rulers and not colonialism or war.
by banach 2y ago
Ah yes, blame the lack of rulers and not colonialism or war.
- plouffy 2y agoHave you read the article ? Where does it mention lack of rulers ?
- bogle 2y agoSeeing as the link is to a single paragraph and the actual article appears not to exist, has anyone read it? "This article appeared in the Briefing section of the print edition under the headline “An intensifying calamity”" You have to use the 'archive.ph' link in the HN commens to find it.
- ChrisMarshallNY 2y agoWhy not all of the above? I lived in Nigeria, when they had the Biafra War[0]. That also killed a heck of a lot of folks. The problem, there, was sort of too many rulers. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Civil_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Civil_War
- decremental 2y ago[dead]
- unnamed76ri 2y agoSudan has been a sovereign nation for 70 years. How many years must pass before you can no longer blame colonialism for their choices?
- cherryteastain 2y agoThey have been independent since 1956. Other (majority non-European) British colonies/protectorates as diverse as Singapore (ind. 1965), Belize (ind. 1981), India (ind. 1947) and UAE (ind. 1971) managed to build peaceful societies. We need to recognize that the people of countries like Sudan are not children who don't know any better, contrary to European leftists' views. They are fully functioning adults who made a series of choices that led to the present situation.
- bogle 2y agoI don't think India is a great example here. The Partition of India in 1947 resulted in over 1 million deaths.
- dartharva 2y agoThat was before the country got its own constitution and had formed its national identity.
- bogle 2y agoNot relevant as the partition was outlined in the Indian Independence Act 1947 which created the constitutions. The Act was agreed upon by the legislature representatives of the Indian National Congress, the Muslim League, and the Sikh community with Lord Mountbatten. The point stands that decolonisation was a mess and the colonisers played a large part in it.
- odux 2y agoI think the point is in spite of decolonization being orders of magnitude more messy countries like India have established fully functioning peaceful societies.
- richbell 2y agoOn that note, reading about Bangladesh's split from Pakistan was gut wrenching. So much senseless violence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_genocide
- nemo44x 2y agoIf anything I’d blame the lack of colonialism as being the root cause of their problems.
- rmbyrro 2y agoAre you perhaps assuming they have no chance of learning to govern themselves peacefully? I don't subscribe to this fixed mindset. I believe all peoples can learn to do well. It's hard, but possible. So the lack of conolialism isn't the answer, but lack of learning.
- nemo44x 2y agoPerhaps they can, but there’s 0 evidence for it. Regardless my point was that they have had tremendous suffering since being decolonized. Endless conflict with external meddling from all over. I suspect that had they been under colonial rule since then they’d have significantly less suffering and stable. But what can you do because that ship sailed.
- rmbyrro 2y ago> Perhaps they can, but there’s 0 evidence for it. Wouldn't this way of thinking prevent any improvement at all? If I must have accomplished something before believing I may be able to accomplish, how am I even going to try?
- nemo44x 2y agoThey’ve had endless civil war essentially for 70 years. Maybe “Sudan” isn’t a real place and the people inhabiting those lands need to sort it out and figure out who rules what. The UN should stop recognizing Sudan as a state as it’s obviously failed. Remove itself from the region and let the people there figure out borders. Rip the Bandai’s off instead of prolonging this idea of Sudan that obviously isn’t real.
- rmbyrro 2y ago
- rmbyrro 2y agoEvery single piece of land on Earth has been attacked and colonized at least once. Why have some peoples managed to do well and others so bad? I think there's something more to learn.
- bogle 2y ago[flagged]
- Ekaros 2y agoNationalism did lot in this regard. But really when you consider it Ukraine is just continuation of European nations conquering lands from each other. Which has been going on for well probably before Romans...
- wtcactus 2y agoI live in the former Roman province of Hispania. We were at least colonized by Romans, then by Saxons and then by Arabs. The Arab imperialists left here 500 years ago. If I were to live further to the East in many of today’s EU/European countries, I could very well live in places where Ottoman imperialists left only 100 years ago. Sudan is now free of imperialists for 70 years. Only 30 years less than countries like Greece, Slovenia, Croatia and a few others in Europe.
- rmbyrro 2y ago> Where is the colonialism within Europe? The most notable was the Roman Empire. Romans colonized and exploited vast areas of Europe for centuries for the benefit of Rome. There were instances of invasion and foreign ruling by Africans and Arabs in Europe as well. More recently, the Germans attacked and colonized France for a brief period of years. The Russians attacked and colonized almost half of Europe... Europe was completely destroyed less that 100 years ago and many areas in Europe suffered terrible famines, some comparable or worse than Sudan now.
- cherryteastain 2y ago> Where is the colonialism within Europe? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Netherlands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Netherlands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland_under_Swedish_rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland_under_Swedish_rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ireland_(1801%E2%80%931923) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ireland_(1801%E2%80... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Cyprus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Cyprus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Colony_of_Malta https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Colony_of_Malta