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This is more a European thing

atoav 2y ago
I am from Europe and I am not completely sure about that to be honest. I also prefer programming. I also dislike software development as it reminds me of developing a photograhic negative – like "oh let's check out how the software we developed came out". It should be software engineering and it should be held to a similar standard as other engineering fields if it isn't done in a non-professional context.
- mdp2021 2y ago
  > software development Wrong angle. There is a problem, your consideration of the problem, the refinement of your solution to the problem: the solution gradually unfolds - it is developed.
- reichstein 2y ago
  The word "development" can mean several things. I don't think "software development" sounds bad when grouped with a phrase like "urban development". It describes growing and tuning software for, well, working better, solving more needs, and with fewer failure modes. I do agree that a "coder" creates code, and a programmer creates programs. I expect more of a complete program than of a bunch of code. If a text says "coder", it does set an expectation about the professionalism of the text. And I expect even more from a software solution created by a software engineer. At least a specification! Still, I, a professional software engineer and programmer, also write "code" for throwaway scripts, or just for myself, or that never gets completed. Or for fun. I will read articles by and for coders too. The word is a signal. It's neither good nor bad, but If that's not the signal the author wants to send, they should work on their communication.
  - mdp2021 2y ago
    > If that's not the signal the author wants to send You can't use a language that will be taken by everyone the same way. The public is heterogeneous - its subsets will use different "codes".
SkiFire13 2y ago
As an European: my language doesn't even have a proper equivalent to "coding", only a direct translation to "programming"
- badsectoracula 2y ago
  I'm from Europe and my language doesn't have an equivalent to "coding" but i'm still using the English word "coder" and "coding" for decades - in my case i learned it from the demoscene where it was always used for programmers since the 80s. FWIW the Demoscene is (or was at least) largely a European thing (groups outside of Europe did exist but the majority of both groups and demoparties were -and i think still are- in Europe) so perhaps there is some truth about the "coding" word being a European thing (e.g. it sounded ok in some languages and spread from there). Also in my ears coder always sounded cooler than programmer and it wasn't until a few years ago i first heard that to some people it has negative connotations. Too late to change though, it still sounds cooler to me :-P. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demoscene https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demoscene

I am from Europe and I am not completely sure about that to be honest. I also prefer programming. I also dislike software development as it reminds me of developing a photograhic negative – like "oh let's check out how the software we developed came out". It should be software engineering and it should be held to a similar standard as other engineering fields if it isn't done in a non-professional context.

mdp2021 2y ago
> software development Wrong angle. There is a problem, your consideration of the problem, the refinement of your solution to the problem: the solution gradually unfolds - it is developed.
reichstein 2y ago
The word "development" can mean several things. I don't think "software development" sounds bad when grouped with a phrase like "urban development". It describes growing and tuning software for, well, working better, solving more needs, and with fewer failure modes. I do agree that a "coder" creates code, and a programmer creates programs. I expect more of a complete program than of a bunch of code. If a text says "coder", it does set an expectation about the professionalism of the text. And I expect even more from a software solution created by a software engineer. At least a specification! Still, I, a professional software engineer and programmer, also write "code" for throwaway scripts, or just for myself, or that never gets completed. Or for fun. I will read articles by and for coders too. The word is a signal. It's neither good nor bad, but If that's not the signal the author wants to send, they should work on their communication.
- mdp2021 2y ago
  > If that's not the signal the author wants to send You can't use a language that will be taken by everyone the same way. The public is heterogeneous - its subsets will use different "codes".

SkiFire13 2y ago

As an European: my language doesn't even have a proper equivalent to "coding", only a direct translation to "programming"

badsectoracula 2y ago
I'm from Europe and my language doesn't have an equivalent to "coding" but i'm still using the English word "coder" and "coding" for decades - in my case i learned it from the demoscene where it was always used for programmers since the 80s. FWIW the Demoscene is (or was at least) largely a European thing (groups outside of Europe did exist but the majority of both groups and demoparties were -and i think still are- in Europe) so perhaps there is some truth about the "coding" word being a European thing (e.g. it sounded ok in some languages and spread from there). Also in my ears coder always sounded cooler than programmer and it wasn't until a few years ago i first heard that to some people it has negative connotations. Too late to change though, it still sounds cooler to me :-P. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demoscene https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demoscene