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Fraud isn't just lying, it also has to be for some sort of personal gain, typically financial. You're taking their money too. If you tell people that if they in

Fraud isn't just lying, it also has to be for some sort of personal gain, typically financial. You're taking their money too. If you tell people that if they invest in your pyramid scheme they'll get rich but you have no actual pyramid scheme and don't take anyone's money, then it's not fraud and shouldn't be banned in my opinion. But it is a lie.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> Fraud isn't just lying, it also has to be for some sort of personal gain One, not true. If a real estate agent sells you a house based on a bunch of lies and somehow forgets to charge a commission, they're still punished. Two, you're still drawing criteria per which speech is punished.
- EnigmaFlare 2y ago
  Well OK but he still sold the house. If you're not doing anything, just talking, it's not fraud. People often offer to sell a bridge to somebody as a way of saying they're gullible. That's not fraud because they're not actually selling the bridge.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > he still sold the house. If you're not doing anything, just talking, it's not fraud Let's edit the premise. No sale occurs. The agent spins some yarn, but you catch on and report them to a regulator. Do you expect them to go unpunished simply because it was all talk? Should they?
    - stale2002 2y ago
      > Do you expect them to go unpunished simply because it was all talk? Should they? If there was no house to be sold, and the agent wasn't even an agent, and they had no way of accepting that money, then of course they should not be punished. As an example, lets say it was a youtuber who did this, and they recorded the video as a funny prank to post on the internet. This would not be illegal and they would not be punished.
    - EnigmaFlare 2y ago
      Real estate agents have stricter ethics requirements from their professional body than the general law for everyone else. They might be punished for doing that. I don't know if they should or not.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> Fraud isn't just lying, it also has to be for some sort of personal gain One, not true. If a real estate agent sells you a house based on a bunch of lies and somehow forgets to charge a commission, they're still punished. Two, you're still drawing criteria per which speech is punished.

EnigmaFlare 2y ago
Well OK but he still sold the house. If you're not doing anything, just talking, it's not fraud. People often offer to sell a bridge to somebody as a way of saying they're gullible. That's not fraud because they're not actually selling the bridge.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > he still sold the house. If you're not doing anything, just talking, it's not fraud Let's edit the premise. No sale occurs. The agent spins some yarn, but you catch on and report them to a regulator. Do you expect them to go unpunished simply because it was all talk? Should they?
  - stale2002 2y ago
    > Do you expect them to go unpunished simply because it was all talk? Should they? If there was no house to be sold, and the agent wasn't even an agent, and they had no way of accepting that money, then of course they should not be punished. As an example, lets say it was a youtuber who did this, and they recorded the video as a funny prank to post on the internet. This would not be illegal and they would not be punished.
  - EnigmaFlare 2y ago
    Real estate agents have stricter ethics requirements from their professional body than the general law for everyone else. They might be punished for doing that. I don't know if they should or not.