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I want a social network like X/BlueSky but it uses a community notes style algorithm to decide what content to show me instead of raw engagement. Should get rid

I want a social network like X/BlueSky but it uses a community notes style algorithm to decide what content to show me instead of raw engagement. Should get rid of the trolls as Paul Graham wants to happen.

eterps 2y ago
Can you expand on your thoughts a bit? Do you envision that a very large amount of posts get reviewed in a community notes style?
- energy123 2y ago
  The algorithm would analyze the post's/user's likes. If a post/user is liked by people who often disagree, then boost the engagement of that post/user. If a post/user is liked by an echo chamber, then deboost it.
  - tliltocatl 2y ago
    What you describe is a flamewar maintenance algorithm. I mean, it COULD work if all people were sound and reasonable, but that's obviously not the case. And being a flamewar battleground is probably not the goal of most platform owners either. Also, for many topics that are not politics you don't need disagreement for a productive discussion.
    - energy123 2y ago
      > I mean, it COULD work if all people were sound and reasonable, but that's obviously not the case. But community notes works well. That's evidence that reasonableness emerges when you boost content that a diversity of people appreciate, regardless of whether people are sound and reasonable. > What you describe is a flamewar maintenance algorithm. Are you saying my idea will increase flamewars? I believe it should decrease flamewars, and that's why I want to see it implemented. Again I point to community notes. If a diversity of people like content, it's probably level-headed, and that's why community notes works so well.
      - tliltocatl 2y ago
        Ok, now I get it, I got it wrong. Still questionable, but for other reason: niche content (like, retrocomputing or pet spider care or just about anything that's less agreeable than funny kittens) would never come thru. Echo chambers aren't intrinsically bad, only when it's about politics and social issues - i. e. stuff that will affect everyone in the end.
nebula8804 2y ago
What happens when Community Notes gets "gamed" like what supposedly happens sometimes on ...Community Notes? One example can be that there is a mass attempt at pushing some viewpoint, it may not stick long term but it sticks for the duration of time the content is viewed by the most amount of people. Kind of like how upvote bots mess with Reddit.
- verdverm 2y ago
  It will be built on the labeller tech aiui, so there can be many community notes providers and systems, with users deciding which they want to follow
verdverm 2y ago
Anyone on the ATProto network can write such an algorithm and use it in the Bluesky app. They even have open source starter code on their github
Maken 2y ago
Couldn't that be built over Mastodon?

eterps 2y ago

Can you expand on your thoughts a bit? Do you envision that a very large amount of posts get reviewed in a community notes style?

energy123 2y ago
The algorithm would analyze the post's/user's likes. If a post/user is liked by people who often disagree, then boost the engagement of that post/user. If a post/user is liked by an echo chamber, then deboost it.
- tliltocatl 2y ago
  What you describe is a flamewar maintenance algorithm. I mean, it COULD work if all people were sound and reasonable, but that's obviously not the case. And being a flamewar battleground is probably not the goal of most platform owners either. Also, for many topics that are not politics you don't need disagreement for a productive discussion.
  - energy123 2y ago
    > I mean, it COULD work if all people were sound and reasonable, but that's obviously not the case. But community notes works well. That's evidence that reasonableness emerges when you boost content that a diversity of people appreciate, regardless of whether people are sound and reasonable. > What you describe is a flamewar maintenance algorithm. Are you saying my idea will increase flamewars? I believe it should decrease flamewars, and that's why I want to see it implemented. Again I point to community notes. If a diversity of people like content, it's probably level-headed, and that's why community notes works so well.
    - tliltocatl 2y ago
      Ok, now I get it, I got it wrong. Still questionable, but for other reason: niche content (like, retrocomputing or pet spider care or just about anything that's less agreeable than funny kittens) would never come thru. Echo chambers aren't intrinsically bad, only when it's about politics and social issues - i. e. stuff that will affect everyone in the end.

nebula8804 2y ago

What happens when Community Notes gets "gamed" like what supposedly happens sometimes on ...Community Notes? One example can be that there is a mass attempt at pushing some viewpoint, it may not stick long term but it sticks for the duration of time the content is viewed by the most amount of people. Kind of like how upvote bots mess with Reddit.

verdverm 2y ago
It will be built on the labeller tech aiui, so there can be many community notes providers and systems, with users deciding which they want to follow

verdverm 2y ago

Anyone on the ATProto network can write such an algorithm and use it in the Bluesky app. They even have open source starter code on their github

Maken 2y ago

Couldn't that be built over Mastodon?