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> not something gov'ts and regulations have thought thoroughly about Not trying to be combative but I find this mode of thinking is likely to backfire, governm

> not something gov'ts and regulations have thought thoroughly about Not trying to be combative but I find this mode of thinking is likely to backfire, governments don't have to think they can just act - has bsky thought seriously about what their response will be to the same laws that X is suffering from?

verdverm 2y ago
Users have choice over moderation, it's not necessarily something Bluesky can limit, by design. It's also worth seeing how it plays out with others, while you are still not on the radar. Part of the reason Xitter is getting harsher treatment is because Musk antagonized. That's not the best way to negotiate, especially since he said he'd abide by local rules, like how he said he'd be better for free speech.
- AlienRobot 2y ago
  I'm not sure I understand. Are you trying to say if a judge says "you must stop displaying this content" Bluesky will argue "we can't do that"? I think Bluesky would get banned.
  - verdverm 2y ago
    Bluesky could implement it in their moderation service, but that does not mean users in Brazil would be impacted by it. Users could swap moderation service or swap interfaces The one thing that could happen is the PDS deleting the record for everyone, everywhere One thing to separate is Bluesky from ATProto. Bluesky is the default implementation of the 4 core pieces, but one could use alternatives for all of them as well and still have their content show up in the bsky app. Imagine if Twitter was open source and federated
    - jazzyjackson 2y ago
      If you're providing tools to circumvent government bans you're gonna get banned, the government won't care about your federated moderation layer
      - verdverm 2y ago
        If the govt bans a specific app, the people will just use another for accessing the same information. It's not really tools for circumvention. The Bluesky app is more like Chrome for the ATProto network, the best implementation of a viewer, open source and leading edge. The moderation is less federated, more about user choice, as each labeller is centralized, but there are many of them.

verdverm 2y ago

Users have choice over moderation, it's not necessarily something Bluesky can limit, by design. It's also worth seeing how it plays out with others, while you are still not on the radar. Part of the reason Xitter is getting harsher treatment is because Musk antagonized. That's not the best way to negotiate, especially since he said he'd abide by local rules, like how he said he'd be better for free speech.

AlienRobot 2y ago
I'm not sure I understand. Are you trying to say if a judge says "you must stop displaying this content" Bluesky will argue "we can't do that"? I think Bluesky would get banned.
- verdverm 2y ago
  Bluesky could implement it in their moderation service, but that does not mean users in Brazil would be impacted by it. Users could swap moderation service or swap interfaces The one thing that could happen is the PDS deleting the record for everyone, everywhere One thing to separate is Bluesky from ATProto. Bluesky is the default implementation of the 4 core pieces, but one could use alternatives for all of them as well and still have their content show up in the bsky app. Imagine if Twitter was open source and federated
  - jazzyjackson 2y ago
    If you're providing tools to circumvent government bans you're gonna get banned, the government won't care about your federated moderation layer
    - verdverm 2y ago
      If the govt bans a specific app, the people will just use another for accessing the same information. It's not really tools for circumvention. The Bluesky app is more like Chrome for the ATProto network, the best implementation of a viewer, open source and leading edge. The moderation is less federated, more about user choice, as each labeller is centralized, but there are many of them.