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I lived both in normal (not sure why you focusing on very dense ones) cities and suburbs, and I absolutely disagree. Go to cities like Copenhagen or Amsterdam

I lived both in normal (not sure why you focusing on very dense ones) cities and suburbs, and I absolutely disagree. Go to cities like Copenhagen or Amsterdam or many other great cities around Europe you can easily walk or bike through. I don't want cities built around cars, whether it's waymo or FSD or you like to drive, they are congested hells. What you're describing is distopic hell of people interacting less and less. Cities should be built around humans, not roads intermitted by buildings with endless parkings and traffic. Public transit is only dead in US because all planning has focused on cars. Which is also the reason why you have so many hell holes and slums we don't. You can't afford a car, you can't even get to a job if you live in those suburbs. I have nothing against people wanting to live in their own house, but the endless suburbs I've seen in US are just unlivable, they're again, perfect for people wanting to distance themselves from other human beings as much as possible.

cyberax 2y ago
> Go to cities like Copenhagen or Amsterdam or many other great cities around Europe you can easily walk or bike through. I lived in Amsterdam. It's shit. Transit takes AGES to get you to the destination, so people have to use bikes. Which is NOT fun in winter at 6am in fog or rain. And Copenhagen has a dirty little secret: it practices harsh population control. It's population is the same size now as in 1970-s. They successfully fended off densification and kept the city from degrading. > Cities should be built around humans, not roads intermitted by buildings with endless parkings and traffic. Indeed. We should build around humans, not public transit and bike lanes. And humans vastly prefer individual cars. When there are equally valid options to use cars or bikes for commutes, around 95% of people prefer cars: https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/sep/19/britains-1960s-cycling-revolution-flopped-stevenage https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/sep/19/britains-1960... > I have nothing against people wanting to live in their own house, but the endless suburbs I've seen in US are just unlivable Really? That's why 85% of the US citizens want to live in 'unlivable' suburbs?
- epolanski 2y ago
  I'm fine to disagree. Again, I lived in different places, including US, and I know what I don't want.

cyberax 2y ago

> Go to cities like Copenhagen or Amsterdam or many other great cities around Europe you can easily walk or bike through. I lived in Amsterdam. It's shit. Transit takes AGES to get you to the destination, so people have to use bikes. Which is NOT fun in winter at 6am in fog or rain. And Copenhagen has a dirty little secret: it practices harsh population control. It's population is the same size now as in 1970-s. They successfully fended off densification and kept the city from degrading. > Cities should be built around humans, not roads intermitted by buildings with endless parkings and traffic. Indeed. We should build around humans, not public transit and bike lanes. And humans vastly prefer individual cars. When there are equally valid options to use cars or bikes for commutes, around 95% of people prefer cars: https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/sep/19/britains-1960s-cycling-revolution-flopped-stevenage https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/sep/19/britains-1960... > I have nothing against people wanting to live in their own house, but the endless suburbs I've seen in US are just unlivable Really? That's why 85% of the US citizens want to live in 'unlivable' suburbs?

epolanski 2y ago
I'm fine to disagree. Again, I lived in different places, including US, and I know what I don't want.