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More power to him. He’s making the hard choices and paying a steep price for actually standing for free speech like no other big tech does.

by pqdbr 2y ago

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xmprt 2y ago
> actually standing for free speech I don't know how anyone can continue to claim this with a straight face when he sued advertisers for not continuing to advertise on the website.
- declan_roberts 2y ago
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- WalterBright 2y ago
  "The lawsuit from his X platform against the non-profit advertising initiative GARM has led to its dissolution. A major ad industry group is shutting down, days after Elon Musk-owned X filed a lawsuit that claimed the group illegally conspired to boycott advertising on his platform." -- Google I.e. Musk did not sue the advertisers.
  - eadler 2y ago
    Yes he did: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txnd.393003/gov.uscourts.txnd.393003.1.0_2.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txnd.39... Parties include the following. The last 5 are advertisers. - WORLD FEDERATION OF ADVERTISERS; - UNILEVER PLC - UNILEVER UNITED STATES, INC. - MARS, INCORPORATED - CVS HEALTH CORPORATION - ØRSTED A/S docket: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69017972/x-corp-v-world-federation-of-advertisers/ https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69017972/x-corp-v-world...
    - WalterBright 2y ago
      Yes, he sued not only the cartel organization, but its members. That seems only reasonable, as he sued them for violations of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. Do you think the Sherman Act is an unreasonable limitation on the free market?
      - eadler 2y ago
        I only specifically responded to the claim that the advertisers were not a party to the lawsuit. I make no claim as to the nature of claim, the appropriateness of the Sherman act, or if the claims will fail as a matter of law or fact (or neither). I am not a lawyer and am especially clueless on the topic of antitrust law. I did however, incidentally, see this recently which may be of interest on the topic: https://verdict.justia.com/2024/08/26/why-elon-musks-and-xs-lawsuit-against-companies-who-have-stopped-advertising-on-the-x-platform-is-legally-weak https://verdict.justia.com/2024/08/26/why-elon-musks-and-xs-...
      - threeseed 2y ago
        So he did sue the advertisers. And unless Musk has some extraordinary evidence it will be difficult to provide those advertisers colluded together to better themselves at the expense of other market participants. Especially when they aren't even in the same markets. Also if you think this situation is akin to a cartel god knows what you think of IMDB or the Michelin guide.
        WalterBright 2y ago
        The linked documents describe the cartel and how it violated the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. It's not a difficult read.
        kelnos 2y ago
        Musk's lawyers "describing" something isn't evidence. Given Musk's personality, I would not be the tiniest bit surprised if he's suing without any actual evidence, just because he's angry and because he can. I mean, remember, this is the guy who tried to get out of buying Twitter, and then refused to pay out contractually-obligated packages to many of the former management team he fired. (I'm not the biggest fan in the world of golden parachutes, but this was pretty egregious.)
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anderber 2y ago
I think you missed adding the "/s" at the end of your sentence. I can only imagine you're kidding.
sapphicsnail 2y ago
Doesn't he punish accounts that use the words cis and cisgender? I don't really understand how anyone can argue he's a free speech advocate in 2024.
- myko 2y ago
  that's hate speech (speech Elon hates) though, he only wants to protect speech he likes
- darthrupert 2y ago
  I think that was a joke trying to play with the dumb idea where using certain words makes you deserve punishment.
nova22033 2y ago
ah..yes..he's making the hard choices https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/modi-twitter-bbc-musk-elon-documentary-watch-video-rcna67497 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/modi-twitter-bbc-m... “It is not possible for me to fix every aspect of Twitter worldwide overnight, while still running Tesla and SpaceX, among other things,” he added, referring to the multiple companies where he is CEO.
chasing 2y ago
Hahahaha! He’s absolutely not standing for free speech and anyone still thinking that needs to spend a few minutes actually poking around Twitter (and maybe a few minutes deconstructing what “freedom of speech” actually means). It’s a playground to promote speech he likes. And he’s a right-wing rich guy bigot whose primary mode of “argument” is either trolling or attempting to financially destroy people he disagrees with. Concerning.
EricDeb 2y ago
He didnt seem to make a huff about India or Turkeys censorship

More power to him. He’s making the hard choices and paying a steep price for actually standing for free speech like no other big tech does.

by pqdbr 2y ago

More power to him. He’s making the hard choices and paying a steep price for actually standing for free speech like no other big tech does.

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xmprt 2y ago

> actually standing for free speech I don't know how anyone can continue to claim this with a straight face when he sued advertisers for not continuing to advertise on the website.

declan_roberts 2y ago
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WalterBright 2y ago
"The lawsuit from his X platform against the non-profit advertising initiative GARM has led to its dissolution. A major ad industry group is shutting down, days after Elon Musk-owned X filed a lawsuit that claimed the group illegally conspired to boycott advertising on his platform." -- Google I.e. Musk did not sue the advertisers.
- eadler 2y ago
  Yes he did: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txnd.393003/gov.uscourts.txnd.393003.1.0_2.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txnd.39... Parties include the following. The last 5 are advertisers. - WORLD FEDERATION OF ADVERTISERS; - UNILEVER PLC - UNILEVER UNITED STATES, INC. - MARS, INCORPORATED - CVS HEALTH CORPORATION - ØRSTED A/S docket: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69017972/x-corp-v-world-federation-of-advertisers/ https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69017972/x-corp-v-world...
  - WalterBright 2y ago
    Yes, he sued not only the cartel organization, but its members. That seems only reasonable, as he sued them for violations of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. Do you think the Sherman Act is an unreasonable limitation on the free market?
    - eadler 2y ago
      I only specifically responded to the claim that the advertisers were not a party to the lawsuit. I make no claim as to the nature of claim, the appropriateness of the Sherman act, or if the claims will fail as a matter of law or fact (or neither). I am not a lawyer and am especially clueless on the topic of antitrust law. I did however, incidentally, see this recently which may be of interest on the topic: https://verdict.justia.com/2024/08/26/why-elon-musks-and-xs-lawsuit-against-companies-who-have-stopped-advertising-on-the-x-platform-is-legally-weak https://verdict.justia.com/2024/08/26/why-elon-musks-and-xs-...
    - threeseed 2y ago
      So he did sue the advertisers. And unless Musk has some extraordinary evidence it will be difficult to provide those advertisers colluded together to better themselves at the expense of other market participants. Especially when they aren't even in the same markets. Also if you think this situation is akin to a cartel god knows what you think of IMDB or the Michelin guide.
      - WalterBright 2y ago
        The linked documents describe the cartel and how it violated the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. It's not a difficult read.
        kelnos 2y ago
        Musk's lawyers "describing" something isn't evidence. Given Musk's personality, I would not be the tiniest bit surprised if he's suing without any actual evidence, just because he's angry and because he can. I mean, remember, this is the guy who tried to get out of buying Twitter, and then refused to pay out contractually-obligated packages to many of the former management team he fired. (I'm not the biggest fan in the world of golden parachutes, but this was pretty egregious.)
- deleted 2y ago
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anderber 2y ago

I think you missed adding the "/s" at the end of your sentence. I can only imagine you're kidding.

sapphicsnail 2y ago

Doesn't he punish accounts that use the words cis and cisgender? I don't really understand how anyone can argue he's a free speech advocate in 2024.

myko 2y ago
that's hate speech (speech Elon hates) though, he only wants to protect speech he likes
darthrupert 2y ago
I think that was a joke trying to play with the dumb idea where using certain words makes you deserve punishment.

nova22033 2y ago

ah..yes..he's making the hard choices https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/modi-twitter-bbc-musk-elon-documentary-watch-video-rcna67497 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/modi-twitter-bbc-m... “It is not possible for me to fix every aspect of Twitter worldwide overnight, while still running Tesla and SpaceX, among other things,” he added, referring to the multiple companies where he is CEO.

chasing 2y ago

Hahahaha! He’s absolutely not standing for free speech and anyone still thinking that needs to spend a few minutes actually poking around Twitter (and maybe a few minutes deconstructing what “freedom of speech” actually means). It’s a playground to promote speech he likes. And he’s a right-wing rich guy bigot whose primary mode of “argument” is either trolling or attempting to financially destroy people he disagrees with. Concerning.

EricDeb 2y ago

He didnt seem to make a huff about India or Turkeys censorship