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I've tried MacOS on recent Macs and, boy, it sucks. Inconsistent shortcuts, buggy keyboard switchers (randomly it shows an unlock screen without my quertz layou

I've tried MacOS on recent Macs and, boy, it sucks. Inconsistent shortcuts, buggy keyboard switchers (randomly it shows an unlock screen without my quertz layout and I mess up my password), and window management issues all around. Audio devices randomly hit buffer overflows or something in Google Meet, it randomly mutes and unmutes devices, etc. Linux ain't perfect either (and really, it was much better ~10 years ago), but it's still so much better than either Windows or MacOS. Or maybe, just maybe, I am used to it having used it since 90s, and they all have their kludges?

Wytwwww 2y ago
> Inconsistent shortcuts Can it be more inconsistent than copy-paste working differently in the terminal and all other apps, though? Of course it's trivial to change and Linux is more or less fully configurable (e.g. NumLock being broken on KDE for a few years)
- 3np 2y ago
  Ctrl+Insert / Shift+Insert should work consistently.
  - Wytwwww 2y ago
    Right, so if a new Linux user who uses Ctrl+C/V in all GUI apps finds that he needs to paste something into terminal that should be perfectly obvious for them? Or should that person feel confused and annoyed since they can't they don't know how to basic operation just so that "power users" could feel better about themselves (I can't think of any other reason which would someone think purposefully inconsistent UX is a good thing...) Also "Insert" is not a thing on most laptop keyboards. So it would be Ctrl + Fn + Delete(or something like that) which is also perfectly obvious.
    - necovek 2y ago
      "Most" laptops actually do have an Insert key. Perhaps you've been using the wrong laptops? :) Anyway, my comment was in jest. None of them are perfect, and to a non-Mac user, its imperfections make it "clunky", whereas they are used to imperfections of their go-to systems. Bugginess one sees when switching to a Mac for the first time is really the same feeling for me like Linux feels to you.
      - Wytwwww 2y ago
        I don't agree. This isn't about different behaviours in Linux vs Mac/Windows but rather about Linux apps having different shortcuts for common basic operations in different apps. That's just poor UX.
        necovek 2y ago
        I think Ctrl-C behaving consistently in a Linux terminal, be it an actual terminal or a GUI-based one, is good behaviour. Ctrl-C for "copy" actually came a long time after Ctrl-C already had a meaning in a text terminal. For that matter, how does Ctrl-C behave in Windows Command Prompt (if that's still how they call it)? In what way is it inconsistent: with the GUI or with the originating DOS terminal behaviour? Mac went with Command and Control as separate keys on a keyboard, which avoids this particular issue, but it gets confusing quickly: what's a "command" and what's a "control"? Which key is to switch workspaces, and why is that "Control" and not "Command"? With every single shortcut, I wonder which was the one I need to use, and it's so hard to remember. That's just poor UX.
eloisant 2y ago
I've been using macOS for years (all my employers tend to give me a MBP) and the one thing I never get used to is the lack of magnetic borders for windows. You can never arrange them perfectly, they're always a bit disorganized.
- yett 2y ago
  That's about to change with macOS 15
- necovek 2y ago
  Or how some windows don't receive a resize signal when you disconnect from a USB-C display and they get resized without being redrawn (Firefox and Chromium for instance), and you have to resize them which is never trivial if they were full screen or taking a half screen (not all borders are draggable or something of the sort).

Wytwwww 2y ago

> Inconsistent shortcuts Can it be more inconsistent than copy-paste working differently in the terminal and all other apps, though? Of course it's trivial to change and Linux is more or less fully configurable (e.g. NumLock being broken on KDE for a few years)

3np 2y ago
Ctrl+Insert / Shift+Insert should work consistently.
- Wytwwww 2y ago
  Right, so if a new Linux user who uses Ctrl+C/V in all GUI apps finds that he needs to paste something into terminal that should be perfectly obvious for them? Or should that person feel confused and annoyed since they can't they don't know how to basic operation just so that "power users" could feel better about themselves (I can't think of any other reason which would someone think purposefully inconsistent UX is a good thing...) Also "Insert" is not a thing on most laptop keyboards. So it would be Ctrl + Fn + Delete(or something like that) which is also perfectly obvious.
  - necovek 2y ago
    "Most" laptops actually do have an Insert key. Perhaps you've been using the wrong laptops? :) Anyway, my comment was in jest. None of them are perfect, and to a non-Mac user, its imperfections make it "clunky", whereas they are used to imperfections of their go-to systems. Bugginess one sees when switching to a Mac for the first time is really the same feeling for me like Linux feels to you.
    - Wytwwww 2y ago
      I don't agree. This isn't about different behaviours in Linux vs Mac/Windows but rather about Linux apps having different shortcuts for common basic operations in different apps. That's just poor UX.
      - necovek 2y ago
        I think Ctrl-C behaving consistently in a Linux terminal, be it an actual terminal or a GUI-based one, is good behaviour. Ctrl-C for "copy" actually came a long time after Ctrl-C already had a meaning in a text terminal. For that matter, how does Ctrl-C behave in Windows Command Prompt (if that's still how they call it)? In what way is it inconsistent: with the GUI or with the originating DOS terminal behaviour? Mac went with Command and Control as separate keys on a keyboard, which avoids this particular issue, but it gets confusing quickly: what's a "command" and what's a "control"? Which key is to switch workspaces, and why is that "Control" and not "Command"? With every single shortcut, I wonder which was the one I need to use, and it's so hard to remember. That's just poor UX.

eloisant 2y ago

I've been using macOS for years (all my employers tend to give me a MBP) and the one thing I never get used to is the lack of magnetic borders for windows. You can never arrange them perfectly, they're always a bit disorganized.

yett 2y ago
That's about to change with macOS 15
necovek 2y ago
Or how some windows don't receive a resize signal when you disconnect from a USB-C display and they get resized without being redrawn (Firefox and Chromium for instance), and you have to resize them which is never trivial if they were full screen or taking a half screen (not all borders are draggable or something of the sort).