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> Apple products are designed from the ground-up as ad-watching appliances. That’s funny. I have virtually no ads on my Apple devices. I associate ads with Win

by FabHK 2y ago

> Apple products are designed from the ground-up as ad-watching appliances. That’s funny. I have virtually no ads on my Apple devices. I associate ads with Windows and Android. And I have several browsers on my iPad, one reason being avoiding ads.

talldayo 2y ago
> I have virtually no ads on my Apple devices. Virtually. It's great when you log into iCloud and only have to deal with the App Store's "Suggested Content" and the Google suggested results in Spotlight Search and the misery of the default YouTube client running 30s midroll ads. Then you can make the little storage nag go away with a convenient $2.99/month payment addressable to Apple Inc. Oh, you wanted sideloading? That's to the tune of $99/year... can't pass off the SDK for free, can you? We'll assume you ignore Apple Music, although it will certainly nag you to try it. For cloud storage and basic sideloading capabilities, Apple will charge you $11.24/month for basic features of the phone you bought and still treat you like garbage. The premium brand-halo surrounding their products is the well-documented Reality Distortion Effect - you are being fooled into defending nonsense because you think this grifting benefits you. To be clear, I think Android and Windows both suffer from similar problems, but their users aren't fooled because it's explicit. Apple uniquely abuses their position as OEM, and the problem literally extends to them advertising to their users and convincing them it's harmless when Apple does it. If you don't understand it by now, just read the affidavit once the FTC wraps up their case. > And I have several browsers on my iPad, one reason being avoiding ads. You have one browser, with multiple interfaces. When Apple serves you boot, your browsers have no choice but to lick.
- concinds 2y ago
  Sideloading is free (no need for a developer program subscription) and cloud storage isn't a "basic feature of the phone you bought".
  - talldayo 2y ago
    > Sideloading is free Not if you want the nag to go away > and cloud storage isn't a "basic feature of the phone you bought" I agree, but Apple thinks otherwise if you want the Settings nag to go away.
- FabHK 2y ago
  Yes, if you don’t want your software and services to be ad-funded, then you have to pay for them. I thought that was sort of obvious.
  - talldayo 2y ago
    So you're coping. That's fine, just make sure you never use Android and discover how green the grass is on the other side. AOSP has fewer ads than iOS in it, and that's just an unfortunate fact.
Larrikin 2y ago
On Android you install Firefox, have real ad blockers and have effectively the same system as any desktop computer. On iOS you install a variety of shady ad blocking browsers because the Safari system of extensions doesn't really let the ad blocker extensions block what is needed. You are also trapped in Safari, which is not a good browser, just something that prevents Chrome from ruining everything.

by FabHK 2y ago

talldayo 2y ago

> I have virtually no ads on my Apple devices. Virtually. It's great when you log into iCloud and only have to deal with the App Store's "Suggested Content" and the Google suggested results in Spotlight Search and the misery of the default YouTube client running 30s midroll ads. Then you can make the little storage nag go away with a convenient $2.99/month payment addressable to Apple Inc. Oh, you wanted sideloading? That's to the tune of $99/year... can't pass off the SDK for free, can you? We'll assume you ignore Apple Music, although it will certainly nag you to try it. For cloud storage and basic sideloading capabilities, Apple will charge you $11.24/month for basic features of the phone you bought and still treat you like garbage. The premium brand-halo surrounding their products is the well-documented Reality Distortion Effect - you are being fooled into defending nonsense because you think this grifting benefits you. To be clear, I think Android and Windows both suffer from similar problems, but their users aren't fooled because it's explicit. Apple uniquely abuses their position as OEM, and the problem literally extends to them advertising to their users and convincing them it's harmless when Apple does it. If you don't understand it by now, just read the affidavit once the FTC wraps up their case. > And I have several browsers on my iPad, one reason being avoiding ads. You have one browser, with multiple interfaces. When Apple serves you boot, your browsers have no choice but to lick.

concinds 2y ago
Sideloading is free (no need for a developer program subscription) and cloud storage isn't a "basic feature of the phone you bought".
- talldayo 2y ago
  > Sideloading is free Not if you want the nag to go away > and cloud storage isn't a "basic feature of the phone you bought" I agree, but Apple thinks otherwise if you want the Settings nag to go away.
FabHK 2y ago
Yes, if you don’t want your software and services to be ad-funded, then you have to pay for them. I thought that was sort of obvious.
- talldayo 2y ago
  So you're coping. That's fine, just make sure you never use Android and discover how green the grass is on the other side. AOSP has fewer ads than iOS in it, and that's just an unfortunate fact.

Larrikin 2y ago

On Android you install Firefox, have real ad blockers and have effectively the same system as any desktop computer. On iOS you install a variety of shady ad blocking browsers because the Safari system of extensions doesn't really let the ad blocker extensions block what is needed. You are also trapped in Safari, which is not a good browser, just something that prevents Chrome from ruining everything.