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I imagine many people here will know this site, but for those who want to travel across Europe by train, The Man in Seat 61 is an invaluable resource: https://w

I imagine many people here will know this site, but for those who want to travel across Europe by train, The Man in Seat 61 is an invaluable resource: https://www.seat61.com/ https://www.seat61.com/ If you want to become envious, he's also on Twitter - https://x.com/seatsixtyone https://x.com/seatsixtyone - where he posts beautiful journeys. Just a shame it's all so expensive compared to flights!

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jazzyjackson 2y ago
Seat61 definitely helped me set expectations for my trip, Last month I took a Paris-Berlin-Vienna-Venice-Paris loop utilizing the nightjet for 3 overnight trains in a row thinking the cost was at least offset by not needing a hotel each night, but alas, a hotel would have been money well spent as I spent that leg of the trip in a sleep deprived daze ! On the bright side I got the experience of groggily asking a German border guard "what's up?" before I had a handle on why my makeshift curtain was being pulled aside at 3am
- rjsw 2y ago
  Your journey was all within the Schengen zone, there are no border checks. Are you sure about why you were woken up?
  - pedvide 2y ago
    There are a lot of "temporary" internal border checks within Schengen [1], especially in the last 5 years. Wiki has lots of info [2] I've personally been checked in trains crossing from the east towards Germany multiple times, including the night train. 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/17yy61g/current_reestablished_border_controls_in_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/17yy61g/current_re... 2. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area under "regulation of internal borders"
  - noduerme 2y ago
    German police do check passports on trains within Germany. I was questioned on a train going from Munich to Prague, and as I had overstayed in Schengen, things got a bit tense. Ultimately they decided it wasn't worth it; they got off one stop before the Czech border and let me continue.
    - seabass-labrax 2y ago
      I can attest this too; at Aachen Hbf. in April of this year, I witnessed a group of policemen verbally (in English) warning a passenger for travelling across the Belgo-German border without ID. On a tangential topic, the behaviour of railway staff when checking passports was interesting. With a paper Interrail ticket, they would always ask to see my passport or ID card, yet I don't think I have been asked once when using the electronic Interrail ticket - this is despite the rules being identical for both types.
  - jazzyjackson 2y ago
    All I know is they were banging on every door for passports, I can't say whether I was at the border, only assumed. Between Venice and Stuttgart.
  - davchana 2y ago
    French Guards board train at Italian border & check everybody immigration (either a EU card or visa and passport), at least in 2016. They take passports with them, saying something in French, and bring it back after about an hour. Longest hour of my life.
- jonp888 2y ago
  So you travelled 11 hours to Berlin in order to spend 9 hours there, then 12 hours to Vienna in order spend 14 hours there, then 11 hours to Venice? You would have been exhausted whatever mode of transport used. For some reason Americans have a strong tendency to come up with these kinds of itineraries in the name of having a relaxing vacation, even though to any European it appears completely bonkers.
  - froggertoaster 2y ago
    Reread his post - I think ultimately he's saying "lesson learned". Am an American and wouldn't dream of doing something like this.
EricE 2y ago
Along those lines I've been enjoying Solo Travel Japan - he does more ferries than trains (gee, imagine that!) https://www.youtube.com/@SoloTravelJapan https://www.youtube.com/@SoloTravelJapan
tim333 2y ago
>shame it's all so expensive compared to flights! I'm trying a new thing as an experiment - Wizz air had an unlimited one year pass for 499 euro. Some unlikely destinations like Iceland and Maldives.

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jazzyjackson 2y ago

Seat61 definitely helped me set expectations for my trip, Last month I took a Paris-Berlin-Vienna-Venice-Paris loop utilizing the nightjet for 3 overnight trains in a row thinking the cost was at least offset by not needing a hotel each night, but alas, a hotel would have been money well spent as I spent that leg of the trip in a sleep deprived daze ! On the bright side I got the experience of groggily asking a German border guard "what's up?" before I had a handle on why my makeshift curtain was being pulled aside at 3am

rjsw 2y ago
Your journey was all within the Schengen zone, there are no border checks. Are you sure about why you were woken up?
- pedvide 2y ago
  There are a lot of "temporary" internal border checks within Schengen [1], especially in the last 5 years. Wiki has lots of info [2] I've personally been checked in trains crossing from the east towards Germany multiple times, including the night train. 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/17yy61g/current_reestablished_border_controls_in_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/17yy61g/current_re... 2. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area under "regulation of internal borders"
- noduerme 2y ago
  German police do check passports on trains within Germany. I was questioned on a train going from Munich to Prague, and as I had overstayed in Schengen, things got a bit tense. Ultimately they decided it wasn't worth it; they got off one stop before the Czech border and let me continue.
  - seabass-labrax 2y ago
    I can attest this too; at Aachen Hbf. in April of this year, I witnessed a group of policemen verbally (in English) warning a passenger for travelling across the Belgo-German border without ID. On a tangential topic, the behaviour of railway staff when checking passports was interesting. With a paper Interrail ticket, they would always ask to see my passport or ID card, yet I don't think I have been asked once when using the electronic Interrail ticket - this is despite the rules being identical for both types.
- jazzyjackson 2y ago
  All I know is they were banging on every door for passports, I can't say whether I was at the border, only assumed. Between Venice and Stuttgart.
- davchana 2y ago
  French Guards board train at Italian border & check everybody immigration (either a EU card or visa and passport), at least in 2016. They take passports with them, saying something in French, and bring it back after about an hour. Longest hour of my life.
jonp888 2y ago
So you travelled 11 hours to Berlin in order to spend 9 hours there, then 12 hours to Vienna in order spend 14 hours there, then 11 hours to Venice? You would have been exhausted whatever mode of transport used. For some reason Americans have a strong tendency to come up with these kinds of itineraries in the name of having a relaxing vacation, even though to any European it appears completely bonkers.
- froggertoaster 2y ago
  Reread his post - I think ultimately he's saying "lesson learned". Am an American and wouldn't dream of doing something like this.

EricE 2y ago

Along those lines I've been enjoying Solo Travel Japan - he does more ferries than trains (gee, imagine that!) https://www.youtube.com/@SoloTravelJapan https://www.youtube.com/@SoloTravelJapan

tim333 2y ago

>shame it's all so expensive compared to flights! I'm trying a new thing as an experiment - Wizz air had an unlimited one year pass for 499 euro. Some unlikely destinations like Iceland and Maldives.