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It was not banned for racism, antisemitism and hate speech. It was banned for "fake news". As determined by our very own Ministry of Truth. Which is literally h

It was not banned for racism, antisemitism and hate speech. It was banned for "fake news". As determined by our very own Ministry of Truth. Which is literally headed by the judge-king responsible for this circus. These guys are what happens when xkcd/386 acquires god-king powers. If I were to follow the same logic as these judges, I would call for your comment to be deleted and for your account to be suspended. After all, you committed the crime of spreading "disinformation" and "misinformation". You were wrong on the internet. Rejoice, for I do not agree with their logic. You can be wrong on the internet all you want, and I will not call for your censorship. For I believe that is a fundamentally immoral thing to do.

chipdart 2y ago
> It was not banned for racism, antisemitism and hate speech. It was banned for "fake news". Not even that. Brasil requires media companies to appoint legal representatives to handle complains of illegal activity, and instead of complying with the law Elon Musk opted to pull the company out of Brasil. The funny thing about this shit show was that Twitter's legal representatives were actually complying with the law, but Elon Musk himself was contradicting and undercutting Twitter's representatives in Brasil. Until he simply pulled out of the company from the country, as if that was some kind of legal gotcha. Except that Brasil doesn't fuck around and it's legislation recognizes that there are always real flesh-and-bone people behind corporate structures, this the judge applying the legal consequences of Elon Musk's decisions to Elon Musk's property in Brasil such as Starlink.
- hexage1814 2y ago
  > Brasil requires media companies to appoint legal representatives to handle complains of illegal activity If that was the case all millions of sites that operate in Brazil, without having legal representatives in the country, would have to be blocked, which doesn't happen. The truth here is that this Supreme Court "judge", which is more like a de facto dictator at this point, wanted essentially a hostage. Someone who he could jailed to blackmail Musk – as Moraes threaten to do with the previous representative, which was the reason for why Musk shutdown X operation in the country . It's that simple. Them going after Starlink, a totally different legal entity with different investors only proves this mafia-like style and how much of banana republic the whole country became, with zero legal certainty. You are talking about something you really don't understand, such was what is happening in the country. Nobody outside Brazil is taking the decisions of this judge serious. Not even Interpol, which denied countless Red Notice alerts that this "judge" tried to issue, such as when he tried (and failed) to go after exiled journalist Allan dos Santos living in the USA and Oswaldo Eustáquio living in Spain. https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/poder/2021/11/interpol-segura-inclusao-de-bolsonaristas-de-lista-de-procurados-de-forma-inedita.shtml https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/poder/2021/11/interpol-segura-... https://revistaoeste.com/brasil/pf-nao-inclui-oswaldo-eustaquio-na-lista-de-foragidos-da-interpol/ https://revistaoeste.com/brasil/pf-nao-inclui-oswaldo-eustaq... Again, you are really talking about something you have absolutely no idea.
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croes 2y ago
You mean the fake news that lead to this? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Brazilian_Congress_attack https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Brazilian_Congress_atta...
- matheusmoreira 2y ago
  I mean people's speech. Whether their speech is "fake" or not is up to me to determine. I don't want any ministries of truth determining that for me. Especially not one manned by these partisan judges. And "this" as in a protest? Like countless others before? Whatever. You're not gonna call it a coup, right? Even the Wikipedia article you cited doesn't call it one.
  - croes 2y ago
    The don't call it protest either. They call it attack and invasion. The reason why it isn't called a coup is be cause they failed. And it's not the ministry of truth but multiple independent sources in and outside Brazil. At a certain point something is obviously fake. And if it's spreading violence it reached the limit of free speech.
    - matheusmoreira 2y ago
      > attack and invasion Aren't all protests? I don't remember many protests that didn't involve closing down roads, burning things down and whatnot. Protests that don't do things like that are usually so irrelevant they don't get Wikipedia articles written about them. > The reason why it isn't called a coup is be cause they failed. It's not called a coup because it wasn't one. A coup attempt would be the military seizing power by force. You know, the people with guns and tanks. A successful coup would be the military trying and succeeding. There's simply no way you can claim a bunch of people, many of them elderly, equipped with bibles and flags, amounts to a coup attempt. > And it's not the ministry of truth but multiple independent sources in and outside Brazil. None of which have the power to censor anything. As it should be. > At a certain point something is obviously fake. If it's so obviously fake, then you don't need any censorship either. The fakeness will be self-evident.

chipdart 2y ago

> It was not banned for racism, antisemitism and hate speech. It was banned for "fake news". Not even that. Brasil requires media companies to appoint legal representatives to handle complains of illegal activity, and instead of complying with the law Elon Musk opted to pull the company out of Brasil. The funny thing about this shit show was that Twitter's legal representatives were actually complying with the law, but Elon Musk himself was contradicting and undercutting Twitter's representatives in Brasil. Until he simply pulled out of the company from the country, as if that was some kind of legal gotcha. Except that Brasil doesn't fuck around and it's legislation recognizes that there are always real flesh-and-bone people behind corporate structures, this the judge applying the legal consequences of Elon Musk's decisions to Elon Musk's property in Brasil such as Starlink.

hexage1814 2y ago
> Brasil requires media companies to appoint legal representatives to handle complains of illegal activity If that was the case all millions of sites that operate in Brazil, without having legal representatives in the country, would have to be blocked, which doesn't happen. The truth here is that this Supreme Court "judge", which is more like a de facto dictator at this point, wanted essentially a hostage. Someone who he could jailed to blackmail Musk – as Moraes threaten to do with the previous representative, which was the reason for why Musk shutdown X operation in the country . It's that simple. Them going after Starlink, a totally different legal entity with different investors only proves this mafia-like style and how much of banana republic the whole country became, with zero legal certainty. You are talking about something you really don't understand, such was what is happening in the country. Nobody outside Brazil is taking the decisions of this judge serious. Not even Interpol, which denied countless Red Notice alerts that this "judge" tried to issue, such as when he tried (and failed) to go after exiled journalist Allan dos Santos living in the USA and Oswaldo Eustáquio living in Spain. https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/poder/2021/11/interpol-segura-inclusao-de-bolsonaristas-de-lista-de-procurados-de-forma-inedita.shtml https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/poder/2021/11/interpol-segura-... https://revistaoeste.com/brasil/pf-nao-inclui-oswaldo-eustaquio-na-lista-de-foragidos-da-interpol/ https://revistaoeste.com/brasil/pf-nao-inclui-oswaldo-eustaq... Again, you are really talking about something you have absolutely no idea.
- chipdart 2y ago
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croes 2y ago

You mean the fake news that lead to this? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Brazilian_Congress_attack https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Brazilian_Congress_atta...

matheusmoreira 2y ago
I mean people's speech. Whether their speech is "fake" or not is up to me to determine. I don't want any ministries of truth determining that for me. Especially not one manned by these partisan judges. And "this" as in a protest? Like countless others before? Whatever. You're not gonna call it a coup, right? Even the Wikipedia article you cited doesn't call it one.
- croes 2y ago
  The don't call it protest either. They call it attack and invasion. The reason why it isn't called a coup is be cause they failed. And it's not the ministry of truth but multiple independent sources in and outside Brazil. At a certain point something is obviously fake. And if it's spreading violence it reached the limit of free speech.
  - matheusmoreira 2y ago
    > attack and invasion Aren't all protests? I don't remember many protests that didn't involve closing down roads, burning things down and whatnot. Protests that don't do things like that are usually so irrelevant they don't get Wikipedia articles written about them. > The reason why it isn't called a coup is be cause they failed. It's not called a coup because it wasn't one. A coup attempt would be the military seizing power by force. You know, the people with guns and tanks. A successful coup would be the military trying and succeeding. There's simply no way you can claim a bunch of people, many of them elderly, equipped with bibles and flags, amounts to a coup attempt. > And it's not the ministry of truth but multiple independent sources in and outside Brazil. None of which have the power to censor anything. As it should be. > At a certain point something is obviously fake. If it's so obviously fake, then you don't need any censorship either. The fakeness will be self-evident.